I can only talk for the clouds, which I use for hydrofoiling. I recently picked up a full quiver of the new C.5s, and I couldn't be happier. I'm enjoying them more every time I fly them. I suppose I believed the hype, and was so impressed with what Greg was doing with them on the videos. Good news is this time it's true
I particularly like the 5.5, which has been the go to kite so far, it's just such a sweet kite, so nicely balanced. I'm sure I'll feel the same about the 3.5 once I get more used to it. It's so fast turning and a bit more of a handful. I've only taken the 8.5 out once, and it was in conditions that would have been unviable on any kite I've owned previously. When I look at the 8.5 in the air overhead it looks to me almost like a 10 (i.e. in projected area). Yet it weighs 1.65kg! As for the 13.5, I've yet to try it out. I'm in two minds whether I even need to keep it. The 8.5 performed so well in marginal conditions, that I'm not sure if I need the bigger size. Maybe it will be useful for kiting in gentle summer afternoon sea breezes, when nobody else is on the water.
Price wise, the clouds are quite pricey if you just get a single, but with the quiver pricing it gets progressively better to the point of being reasonably affordable (in relative terms, compared to what other kites cost). It still doesn't compare with gong pricewise, but this also depends on your landed cost depending on where you are. Not that it's easy to compete with gong on price for anything (just look at their sup pricing, it's unbeatable, and the product looks great - sorry for the digression).
Bushflyr wrote:No, it was trimmed right, the odd feeling came from the "bump" in the steering pressure when the canopy twisted. Instead of being a linear increase there was a distinct bump when the canopy twisted from a left cant to a right or vice versa. And, seriously, no one can really make the claim that they're fast turning.
I've found steering on the clouds to be responsive and direct. If you had it trimmed right (i.e. all the lines the same length) and still had issues with steering, I'd suspect that it wasn't pumped hard enough. The clouds like to be pumped really hard.