ivan-d wrote:Is there such a thing as a suicide + flagout line leash-in-one?
I call it "half suicide" but the manufacturers have all kinds of names for it. It has become the standard for riding suicide with the option of using your QR to release to a single line. What they do is use a figure 8 stainless steel piece you hook into that so you are riding suicide but if you use the QR it works. Like in this photo:
You can easily convert a normal bar to half suicide by adding either a figure 8 or a stainless steel o-ring like so:
When you do this make sure the o-ring is big enough to slip easily through the various safety parts at the end of the chicken loop. Also never clip directly on to your chicken loop always get a figure 8 or o-ring and clip on to that. The reason you don't want to clip directly on to your chicken loop is that it will snag on your spreader loop hook and then you have no safety at all. The o-ring or figure 8 gives you just a little bit of extra space between the clip on your leash and your spreader bar hook, so when you hook back in, it doesn't accidentally snag.
What we call "suicide" is I guess "old suicide" where you clipped above the chicken loop entirely and your only option is complete release of the kite.
This method of rigging has pretty much died out, not for safety reasons but because modern bars have a sort of slot in both the bar and the chicken loop so when you unhook the chicken loop slots into the control bar and brings it nice and horizontal so you can use both hands on the control bar to hook back in, instead of the old way where you had one hand on the control bar, and the other hand fiddling with the chicken loop, lining it up so it's horizontal.
nobody except I think Ruben Lenten actually rides full suicide like this anymore.
Most pros right now are actually riding the way you kind of suggest, which is half-suicide where if you drop the bar, it won't flag out, but if you deliberately use the QR it works as intended.
There's a ton of posts in this forum by me, I think I always call it "half suicide" if you do a search for half-suicide they will all come up.
I use a long handle pass leash so I can easily wrap it around my body so when I drop the bar, I'm always crawling back up the leash line but it sounds like this sort of half suicide setup and a short leash (where you can easily reach the QR at all times) would work for you.