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Agree boycott until they change system....by the way top kite...but octopus really shit system hope they will change soon so i ll buy only naish

Gonzolinho wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 29, 2018 6:40 pm

tautologies wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:44 pm

OP looks like a nice solution. Good post.
Granted I have not had much problems with the Octopus, but it doesn't take much more time to fix than any other system. I like it because it works, it is clean and you do not have hoses rotting / popping off. I much prefer a one-pump system over a multi-pump system.
Also Naish did have kites with multi pump systems and if they had sold, they would probably put out more of them. I just think people prefers a one-pump system.

I think you are missing the point. None of them is talking about a multi pump system..... Please try staying objective. This is not profanity.
Can you name some kites where you saw some hoses rotting or popping off?

I really appreciate your input to the forum but regarding octopus sys your arguments start getting ridiculous.

I wonder what are your arguments...
L.

I was being sarcastic when I suggested Alexeyga should boycott Naish Kites, as if this forum even with all it's active members could alter the global sales of a Kite manufacturer by a boycott is ridiculous.
Also it seems the complainers don't seem to have Naish kites, do they want them and are upset that their prejudices stop them from purchasing, or is it something more subliminal.
I have kited since 1999 and only owned Naish kites, from the original two line AR 3.5, up to the 2018 Pivots, can't remember when the Octopus system was initiated, but, I have never, repeat never had a leak or problem with the Octopus system.
and that is on kites I have kept for up to three years, and in the case of two Helix kites ( the funky leading edges ones) I used them for two years, and then keep them in the shed for four years, then used them for a few months before selling them , no leaks.
Other experiences may vary.
I use them because I like the build quality and performance, but mostly because the graphics are nice, I'm shallow that way !

cglazier wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 29, 2018 3:24 pm

The octopus system has been easy to access for years now (although is was a pain before that). We rarely see a failure of the octopus strut connections. It is certainly more durable than systems with exposed hoses and nipples.. which we more often have to repair.

This. I've had a few nipples break. I've also had splits in the little black hoses. Naish kites have been fine, everything is tucked away and protected. If anything I'd prefer it if all kites used octopus.

Gonzolinho wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 29, 2018 6:40 pm

I think you are missing the point. None of them is talking about a multi pump system..... Please try staying objective. This is not profanity.
Can you name some kites where you saw some hoses rotting or popping off?

I really appreciate your input to the forum but regarding octopus sys your arguments start getting ridiculous.

Hi. Obviously I do not think my argument is ridiculous just because it is different from yours. I also like learning about other viewpoints.

Anytime there is an argument over the single inflation we all fall into 3 camps. One camp who likes the octopus system, one camp who likes the external single inflation system and one camp that prefers multipump systems. Personally I prefer the octopus system because it is simple, it works and to me it is easy to work with. It would not be highest up on my list for kite purchasing decision, but kind of on the secondary list of features I want.

I was arguing to the people say they just want a multi pump system with individual bladders that Naish had a kite like that and they removed it.

Secondly I have seen a ton of kites with external multi-pump kites have problems. There are a few things that happened that will not happen on an internal system. The first is accidental disconnection. The rubber hose would just come off...if the kite crashed the probability of that increased. It canpt happen on an internal system because the the pressure in the bladder keeps the system connected. The second was that the hoses themselves would become brittle over time when exposed to sunlight. Another issue was that people would not clamp the hoses so the kite would deflate if there is a leak.
Some of this has been mitigated with covers etc. My point is not so say that the external system is horrible, but to say it has its own idiosyncrasies. I also wanted to make sure people who prefers multi-pump systems understand they might not be representing everyone. Definitely not trying to be ridiculous tho.

I had problem with Ozone, North and Wainman kites never with Naish kites. Alexeyga shall will boycott all of these makers....

Ridden naish on and off for 12 years they can make great kites but.... Boycott them let’s make naish great again ;0)

What silliness.
Naish makes great kites that hold up well and are widely used including in schools.
Naish kites are as easy to repair as most and much easier than some of the cheap brands. (I have helped repair hundreds of kites at my local shop.)
The Naish octupus system is very robust and works very well. Some people are still critical of its shortcomings from many years ago.. which have long since been fixed.

I was out today in gusty conditions on my Naish kite and I felt most confident that I was riding one of the best quality reliable kites available. (I also fly other top brands like North and Ozone)
All other things being equal I prefer the octupus system over exposed tubes on a kite as do thousands of other happy Naish riders.

CG
(been kiting for 19 years, owned 53 kites from 10 different companies ..all of which I paid for)

Gonzolinho wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 02, 2018 12:05 am

tautologies wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 29, 2018 9:39 pm

Hi. Obviously I do not think my argument is ridiculous just because it is different from yours. I also like learning about other viewpoints.

OK, so it will be interesting to see if you can walk your talk.
Didn´t say your arguments are ridiculous, the fews you have, but the WAY you argument is so, if somebody says something about Naish products in a negative way. That´s a difference but ok, I understand you are protecting your company. "Brand affiliation: none" - should be changed....

tautologies wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 29, 2018 9:39 pm

Anytime there is an argument over the single inflation we all fall into 3 camps. One camp who likes the octopus system, one camp who likes the external single inflation system and one camp that prefers multipump systems. Personally I prefer the octopus system because it is simple, it works and to me it is easy to work with. It would not be highest up on my list for kite purchasing decision, but kind of on the secondary list of features I want.

OK, got your point but you were talking about only two groups before and forgot about the priority ones of external single inflation.(see my answer about your way of argueing above) Nobody mentioned mutlipump before except you.(if so, please help me find the passage in one of the posts). Of course there is still a small group of fans of this system, too. But I think we can neglect them if disussing the pros ond cons of Octopus Sys.

tautologies wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 29, 2018 9:39 pm

I was arguing to the people say they just want a multi pump system with individual bladders that Naish had a kite like that and they removed it.

Secondly I have seen a ton of kites with external multi-pump kites have problems. There are a few things that happened that will not happen on an internal system. The first is accidental disconnection. The rubber hose would just come off...if the kite crashed the probability of that increased. It canpt happen on an internal system because the the pressure in the bladder keeps the system connected.

OK, theoretically right. But when did you see this happen in the recent years? Not 10 years old kite models please. I asked you before what fabricat you saw hoses rotting and popping off. Still waiting for your answer...

tautologies wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 29, 2018 9:39 pm

The second was that the hoses themselves would become brittle over time when exposed to sunlight. Another issue was that people would not clamp the hoses so the kite would deflate if there is a leak.

I can chime in, a hose was disconnected on a Core kite when I was renting one in Mui Ne. Not an old used kite at all...almost brand new.

Hoses were leaking on my own Airush Lithium after approximately two years. Lived in Thailand at that time but always stored my kites inside my house and didn't kite that often.

just would like to add an INTELIGENT non-partisan question here about a leak at the MAIN inflation valve of my naish boxer 2017...

have just done the famous bubble test and the oNLY place i have a leak is the actual inflate/deflate valve....it is NOT at the seam where they thread together..got that nice and tight....its actually leaking right out the big hole...the little rubber disc/flap that allows air in but not OUT....is somehow allowing air OUT.

It LOOKS perfect, no cracks, no sand, seems to SEAT well...but obviously its NOT...the leak is SLOW...but within 10 minutes the kite goes from rock hard to 7psi and then another ten minutes down to 6psi...

since its the ONE strut boxer...the rigidity is pretty important...it flies like a DOG when its a bit soft.

ANY one else have a MacGyver solution for this? short of trying to ask NAISH for a new rubber flapper (which they probably dont even stock) or hiktting up other Naish kiters maybe for an ORGAN TRANSPLANT from their old kites that havent been thrown in the trash yet...not really sure what else to do...im THINKING of maybe trying to glue a perfect sized plastic disc to the underside of the rubber "flapper" but that might make the SEAL even worse....

grateful for any ideas.
buen vientos!!