Most participants in this thread have displayed a great degree of religiously held surety on one side or the other, of this debate. Many of the arguments on both sides have been debunked with only a few idiots clinging to those false beliefs. Unforftunatley, left or right will not get a chance to get to the bottom of this one. This is because the problem on the surface (anthropogenic climate change) is not the actual problem facing us. The two greatest problems facing this debate are not obvious -
1. Right now, western society is eliminating the right to debate. People are actually being jailed for 'speaking for' or 'speaking against' certain topics. As many of the participants in this thread are aware, many of the "global warming alarmists" actually are in favor of jailing those who do not believe that anthropogenic climate change is happening. And legislation already exists that can be applied to that matter. Science cannot exist without debate. Science without debate is religion/politics/ideology. Thus I start cringing when I hear:
Peert wrote: ↑Tue May 29, 2018 10:48 pm
There is however scientific consensus among a very large mayority of environmental scientist on this topic.
Peert, these are the
clergy who's narrative you are taking as your
religion. There are holes in the dogma which you believe, but you have simply chosen to look past those and come to a decision because you believe the holes in the dogma of your opposition are greater. Sometimes this is a necessary decision, sometimes we stick to this decision past it's usefulness.
Science keeps debating until the issue is solved. Religious dogma
"solves" the issue without debate. It is natural for humans to want a quick solution to clear up the confusion. But the confusion does not care about human wants. It simply exists until the debate has become mute. On this issue, both sides still have some data to gather and arguments to make. Some of these arguments have not even been dreamt of.
2. More effective than any solar or wind projects, a
natural decline in the
native population of a block of countries is set to actually reduce the carbon footprint of those nations. Problem solved?........ not quite. This block of nations, who has done more for "green energy" development and implementation than any other country('s), has political policies in place to undo all of that advancement.
This actual advancement in the fight against anthropogenic global warming is being undone by the importation of a population (immigration) of a people with an ideological mandate to out breed the native population. Once the native population of these countries becomes the minority, the democratic process will allow for the governmental policies to be changed to to be in line with this specific ideology. And this ideology is not interested in the environment.
If this is how the left solves problems, well, that says a lot about the rise and fall of societies throughout human history.