I tried to read a bit of this thread, but the USA element of climate change deniers, God Botherers and other weak minded morons left me with the feeling we're fucked whichever way you look at it.
I've been around a while, managed to survive, despite the nuclear tests in the fifties and sixties but can't help but note the so much higher incidence of deaths from cancer than there were when I was younger and can't help but correlate the coincidence.
I've spent forty plus years chasing wind, which fundamentally is what we're all interested in and I can categorically tell you that no period in my life has been worse than that which we currently endure, prevailing directions have shifted, strengths have become more polarised, longer periods with less, higher strengths when here.
I counted twenty odd com trails tonight at sunset and I wondered how many people and aircraft are in the air at any given moment, I weep at the volume of plastic in our Oceans, and if I ever met anyone who in all seriousness tried to suggest we're not fucking up this planet, I would be hard put not to punch him or her as hard as I could in the face.
It should be the duty of each and every one of us, as people who are close to the reality of all this, to, at every opportunity, do whatever we can, in every small way we can, to halt what's going on.
And the trolls and climate change deniers, creationists and Trump worshippers?
Ban the fuckers from the forum.