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Re: Oceanus kite reels: I still see them

Postby knotwindy » Wed Sep 11, 2019 5:25 pm

I’m sorry but did I misunderstand you? Are you trying to be reasonable on a forum?

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Re: Oceanus kite reels: I still see them

Postby apollo4000 » Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:11 pm

I’d wear one for use in self rescue. I can see scenarios where they’d be useful to slow/reduce the exhaustion. Equally I see risk in the same situation ‘anchoring’.

Seen some foil board and foil kite self rescues which look scetchy even when demonstrated in flat water. Attach to your gear while you pack the kite down to reduce stress, free hands. Maybe helpful.

I met a guy who saved a number of divers using one in Maldives during the NYD tsunami so they have their uses in certain circumstances. But wouldn’t use attached to a TT on a extremely windy day at crowded spot etc etc etc. More worried about being beaten up by the mob than getting hit by the board. Last bits a joke, just in case. 😀

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Re: Oceanus kite reels: I still see them

Postby edt » Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:28 am

wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:11 pm

Seen some foil board and foil kite self rescues which look scetchy even when demonstrated in flat water. Attach to your gear while you pack the kite down to reduce stress, free hands. Maybe helpful.
I think I did about 6 packdown and swims last month I was really stretching my limits. It's incredibly useful to carry about 10m of line in your pocket. The reel isn't so good, it's way to big and stuff can get caught on it when you are riding.
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Re: Oceanus kite reels: I still see them

Postby Beardytello » Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:40 pm

edt wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:28 am
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Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:11 pm

Seen some foil board and foil kite self rescues which look scetchy even when demonstrated in flat water. Attach to your gear while you pack the kite down to reduce stress, free hands. Maybe helpful.
I think I did about 6 packdown and swims last month I was really stretching my limits. It's incredibly useful to carry about 10m of line in your pocket. The reel isn't so good, it's way to big and stuff can get caught on it when you are riding.
That's such a good idea that I never thought of! I've done about 10 self rescues in anger, all of them went pretty much to plan but the board is always a pain in the ass to secure. I just end up sort of holding it awkwardly.

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Re: Oceanus kite reels: I still see them

Postby edt » Thu Sep 12, 2019 1:44 pm

Beardytello wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:40 pm


That's such a good idea that I never thought of! I've done about 10 self rescues in anger, all of them went pretty much to plan but the board is always a pain in the ass to secure. I just end up sort of holding it awkwardly.
Until someone had actually done a foil kite packdown in real life you don't know the pain it is keeping that hydrofoil near you. Gets in the bridle tangles the lines and if you let it go for a second it races downwind and you have to let your foil fill with water while you swim after it. You need the board can't just let it zoom downwind that's where you put the kite when it's packed up and swim back. A little bit of line goes a long way making a packdown easy.

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Re: Oceanus kite reels: I still see them

Postby Peter_Frank » Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:23 pm

edt wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 1:44 pm
Beardytello wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:40 pm


That's such a good idea that I never thought of! I've done about 10 self rescues in anger, all of them went pretty much to plan but the board is always a pain in the ass to secure. I just end up sort of holding it awkwardly.
Until someone had actually done a foil kite packdown in real life you don't know the pain it is keeping that hydrofoil near you. Gets in the bridle tangles the lines and if you let it go for a second it races downwind and you have to let your foil fill with water while you swim after it. You need the board can't just let it zoom downwind that's where you put the kite when it's packed up and swim back. A little bit of line goes a long way making a packdown easy.

I dont understand this?

Even on my small thin board, I sit on the board so a few litres higher in the water, while I pack down, or try to relaunch in low winds, or just drift comfortably ashore.

The bigger the board the better, but you can sit on any supersmall board, you just sit "deeper".

And pack a LEI down, or roll/pack a foilkite down.

This way you avoid many or all of above troubles :rollgrin:

A lot easier to roll a kite up, even if you are just sitting a tad higher, in my experience.
Doing it while you "float" in the water yourself is by far the most difficult, and for me something I avoid.

8) Peter

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Re: Oceanus kite reels: I still see them

Postby pmaggie » Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:30 pm

As Apollo, I also carry a reel leash with me, never attached to the board. Peter Frank's advice is good but sometimes I prefer to stay free in the water and use both hands as I desire with no need to worry about the board.

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Re: Oceanus kite reels: I still see them

Postby Archer77 » Fri Jul 03, 2020 12:22 pm

already someone here highlighted the main problem, in summary NO leash can be safe for this reason:

when both the rider and the board are flying at distance (during a bad fall or perhaps the kite turn in the middle of the power zone and the rider is not prepared) if the rider land in the water before the board than the rider have zero speed and the board still have speed, when the board land on the rider is the problem, and the reel leash can't prevent this, maybe can retard the acceleration of the board a little but not enough

it's not matter of elasticity of the leash

despite this I would probably take the risk when riding alone and far from the beach, cause small waves many time hide the position of the board during the up wind body drag and losing the board unfortunately can happen

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Re: Oceanus kite reels: I still see them

Postby TheRussian » Fri Jul 03, 2020 5:20 pm

I only wear a (surf) leash on reef breaks with strong rips (e.g. La Morne/One Eye) & was glad for using one on doing a return channel crossing- for everything else IMO they are just dangerous. But, it's a waste of breath trying to convince anyone of this, as most riders I come across who use them, have some form of fanatical belief in them .

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Re: Oceanus kite reels: I still see them

Postby Pana » Fri Jul 03, 2020 6:06 pm

I had one when I was a beginner in side shore conditions, it greatly increased my safety. Different conditions can justify using a reel leash. Remember 0 risk does not exist, there is a risk to everything. Be aware that a reel leash offers more line to get tangled in and can have it’s drawbacks/risks. Personnaly alway felt it was MANDATORY to attach the leach to the board via a plastic tierap to offer an easy breaking point as there is no easy release in the kit (the one i had) Attach a second tie rap to the board to replace the first one in the event you break the first one. With such a set-up risks are reduced for the same benefits.


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