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Re: What is the international signal for "Abort launch"?

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 9:34 pm
by JustAGirl
RickI wrote:
Sat Jul 14, 2018 11:55 am
I posted these hand signals in 2002 on here, as no one else was really proposing a uniform set of signals at the time. There have been some bad kite accident related to miscommunication so the need was obvious. I borrowed some from diving and common sense.

The clenched fist basically means to hold, and people seem to get it. I then follow with my flat hand extended outward pushing down signaling to put the Kite down. However it’s important to go over the stuff in advance of your session to remove any doubt. Yelling shouldn’t be relied upon alone nor should you use inexperienced non-kiters for help. Past accidents reinforce the reasons why not.

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Sorry but if I‘m holding your kite & you start clowning around like that I’ll probably just let you bite the dust... I double dare you! 🙄

Re: What is the international signal for "Abort launch"?

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 10:03 pm
by PullStrings
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Re: What is the international signal for "Abort launch"?

Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 3:40 am
by grigorib
JustAGirl wrote:
Sat Jul 14, 2018 9:34 pm
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Sorry but if I‘m holding your kite & you start clowning around like that I’ll probably just let you bite the dust... I double dare you! 🙄
I guess it’ll teach the person launched that you can’t be trusted. There are pretty common and intuitive non-verbal communication signs and if you don’t understand it’s not your fault but maybe not a reason to be aggressive and being so full of yourself. Like what, shrugging your shoulder would not mean a response “I don’t get you, what do you mean?”. Worst case put the kite down and make sure it doesn’t fly away.
One day you might need a launch/rescue and karma might turn out to be usual karma.

Re: What is the international signal for "Abort launch"?

Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 10:33 am
by Peter_Frank
I dont know of any international signals on this one...

But I do know, that what we always intuitively do works - almost everyone I have seen do it this way.

It happens quite often in fact, that some have to abort, so I dont agree with those saying it hardly never happens.
Crossed lines, something wrong with your shackle or QR or whatever, bridle wrapped quite common, tip snagged (foil kites), or simply bailing out in the last second as you find it is too windy, or can see a squall coming, or the safety line is not right - lots of reasons why you DONT want to launch...

Could not find pictures on the net, so went in the garden with my mobile, no sound but illustrates that you yell to the helper in a language that is understood.
Stooop would fit most

https://youtu.be/QSD-YUvrvZc

Above works splendidly :D

Tapping on your head can be way too risky, as raising one arm (thumbs or not, can not be seen if raining or sand blowing) is the signal to let go and can easily be mistaken :roll:

One can always discuss whether it is better to hold the bar if the helper let go anyways, or hold the QR, but in both cases when you raise one hand only, the risk of misunderstanding that it means something is wrong and letting go instead is much higher IMO.

Waving arms low across, maybe walking towards the helper so slack lines, works - and when you can see the helper lowers the kite you can tap on your head to show it is not something that can be fixed now, the kite should be put down (ha haa, sounds like it shold be "shot dead" - but maybe it should if something is wrong :rollgrin: )

Above signal for stop/abort can be understood and not mistaken for an arm up, even for dummies or anyone not into kitesurfing IMO and experience.

8) Peter

Re: What is the international signal for "Abort launch"?

Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 8:51 pm
by RedSky
I use the "cut throat" signal, similar to the stop engine signal but less pronounced, it makes me look cool. :D :cool2:

https://www.youtube.com/embed/p4xEVY459w0?start=220

Re: What is the international signal for "Abort launch"?

Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 9:01 pm
by edt
Love Peter's signal. one vote to adopt it.

Re: What is the international signal for "Abort launch"?

Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 10:10 pm
by pj sofine
In my area we just drop our shorts and squat down, local sign to abort launch due to impending dump.Not sure how this would go over in civilized areas. :argue:

Re: What is the international signal for "Abort launch"?

Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 2:53 pm
by pmaggie
In our home spot the launch area is extremely tricky. The kiter stays in chest high water while the helper is on the top of a public tiled promenade where people and bikers transit all the time. So the procedure for the helper is: kindly stop the people (and always thank them after launching), wait for the thumb up of the kiter, let the kite go. Same for landing (more tricky, if possibile), after the classic hand over the head signal. What we learned in many years (yes, there were problems of course) is NEVER let the kite go without the thumb up. The kiter can shout "ok, all right, I'm fine, leave the kite, yeah man I'm ready", everything but without the thumb up we never never let go. Keeping this rule in mind, it's very easy to abort the launch: if the kiter wants to abort, he simply does not show his thumb up and walk toward the helper with slack lines. If the helper notice any problem he just put the kite back on the grass. What I mean is: we use only ONE signal, that is IMO the most efficient way to avoid misunderstandings. Everything that is not thumb up means abort.

Re: What is the international signal for "Abort launch"?

Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:40 pm
by K-Roy
RedSky wrote:
Sun Jul 15, 2018 8:51 pm
I use the "cut throat" signal, similar to the stop engine signal but less pronounced, it makes me look cool. :D :cool2:

https://www.youtube.com/embed/p4xEVY459w0?start=220
+1 for "cut throat"
I prefer this as I can keep one hand on bar, just in case...