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Re: Maybe I'll get to keep my name after all..

Postby purdyd » Thu Aug 02, 2018 6:51 pm

tautologies wrote:
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purdyd wrote:
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http://www.boards-and-more.com

Boards and more 2017 71 million euro
Where do you get that number from?
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Re: Maybe I'll get to keep my name after all..

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Re: Maybe I'll get to keep my name after all..

Postby tautologies » Thu Aug 02, 2018 7:36 pm

purdyd wrote:
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ahhh sorry did not see that. I wonder what the breakdown of that revenue is.

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Re: Maybe I'll get to keep my name after all..

Postby Toby » Thu Aug 02, 2018 7:46 pm

tautologies wrote:
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ahhh sorry did not see that. I wonder what the breakdown of that revenue is.
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Re: Maybe I'll get to keep my name after all..

Postby wrogu » Thu Aug 02, 2018 8:48 pm

I cited info from press regarding Emeram buying BM. They prolly had BM in mind and their products (ion, nkb etc.).

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Re: Maybe I'll get to keep my name after all..

Postby tautologies » Thu Aug 02, 2018 8:56 pm

wrogu wrote:
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I cited info from press regarding Emeram buying BM. They prolly had BM in mind and their products (ion, nkb etc.).
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Yeah I saw that. Its confusing because it is hard to know what is included then :-)

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Re: Maybe I'll get to keep my name after all..

Postby Toby » Thu Aug 02, 2018 9:39 pm

Would love to know how much is windsurfing and Kitesurfing...ION not included, because it serves both

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Re: Maybe I'll get to keep my name after all..

Postby foilholio » Thu Aug 02, 2018 11:39 pm

It's not Boards and More it's Emeram Capital. Lets not play the corporate shell game. On the North Technology Group side the controlling owner is Oakley Capital, which seems to be similar in size to Emeram Capital. The Emeram Capital Rebel, exciting, no wonder they need brands.
tautologies wrote: We are trying to establish the size of the companies / revenue numbers. My understanding was that North Sails was a much bigger company than B & M. I do not know if that is the case.
It's Emeram vs Oakley. The revenue numbers for BM and NTG would only have a very small amount of profit.
tautologies wrote:I wonder what the breakdown of that revenue is.
With an average PE ratio of say 20, when they were bought for 39m they had 45m revenue, which would give 1.95m profit. If the PE ratio was more speculative and say 100, you have only 0.39m profit. With 71m revenue you have either 3.55m or down towards .71m. The kite business is seemingly so tight, that one bad year say from switching names lol, could sink anyone involved without the owners these guys have that can raise 100's of millions in new funding.

71m revenue, lets say half is kites, with an average sell price of $600, 59166 kites sold.

1980 parasite resellers, no wonder direct kills it. Imagine if all of those 1980 post here, the marketing potential. Could make just about anything believable. Duotone kites "help feed men behind counters". No wonder marketing needs to lie, the truth is so sad. Duotone kites "Help Aaron Hadlow kite all day on tropical beaches". Well that's not so bad l-)

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Re: Maybe I'll get to keep my name after all..

Postby Toby » Fri Aug 03, 2018 1:45 am

Why the hate towards resellers?

Having shops with lots of gear is great to have.

They also need to make a living.

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Re: Maybe I'll get to keep my name after all..

Postby foilholio » Fri Aug 03, 2018 3:43 am

Simply I think they are unnecessary for me and many others.

If you, others and the shops think their existence is necessary, then they should face the free market. If the major brands made their gear available to the general public at the same prices they supply the shops, then their true value can be gauged. If they all survive that then they are needed.

Yes with such arrangements there is problems with support etc, that would need to be worked out. Either customer accepts little to no support for 1/2 to 1/3 the price or buys else where I would guess.

I have no problem with anyone making a living. I have a problem with people collecting what is basically a unwarranted tax. I have a problem with people claiming they are needed when they are not. I have a problem with people lying about their competition or competing business models. I have a problem with having to do the dog and pony show to get a good price.

Toby have you ever bought a new car? This is the pinnacle of reseller existence, enshrined by law and dirty deals.
If the salesmen there didn't have jobs they would be out committing blatant theft.


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