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Do all kites invert equally?

Postby caps » Wed Aug 01, 2018 4:29 am

I was wondering if all kites invert equally. I’m planning on getting some smaller kites to teach my daughter and was wondering if there’s a certain style/brand/whatever that gets inverted more or less. I learned on rallys and I inverted them regularly. Now as I got better, it never happened. ...until I took up foiling and started to slack my lines again... Are wave kites better able to drift and thus avoid the nose dive/kite roll resulting in an inversion? Thoughts?

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Re: Do all kites invert equally?

Postby Foil » Wed Aug 01, 2018 4:55 am

caps wrote:
Wed Aug 01, 2018 4:29 am
I was wondering if all kited invert equally. I’m planning on getting some smaller kites to teach my daughter and was wondering if there’s a certain style/brand/whatever that gets inverted more or less. I learned on rallys and did it regularly. Now as I got better, it never happened. ...until I took up foiling and started to slack my lines again. Are Wave kites better able to drift back and avoid the nose dive/kite roll? Thoughts?

Thanks!
for the first time in years yesterday I witnessed a kite invert in very gusty conditions, and for a while it spun wildly out of control, after a few hundred yards it flipped back to normal but I could see a few reasons why it might have inverted,
the kite was under inflated, and the shape was of the flat sort of profile so it was easy for the top surface of the kite to get pushed down when tilted due to under inflation or very slack lines in gusty strong winds, all of which was happening, and it was scary to watch.
but as I said, I have not seen this happen for years, and the kite I was looking at looked of old design.
I changed to a wave style kite soon after buying a hydrofoil board, which after months of use has opened my eyes to how good this style of kite is for my Ttip and the foil board, my choice is the Ozone Reo, it is much better than many other kites i have wasted time and cash on over the last 14 months trying to find the perfect kite for both disciplines.

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Re: Do all kites invert equally?

Postby jakemoore » Wed Aug 01, 2018 6:02 am

II’m quite happy with Naish Boxer and Ride as kid kites. Easy to keeep in the air and make power. Easy relaunch. Small sizes don’t suffer shoulder collapses. The bridle is shorter than the wingtip, reducing the risk for wraps. The depower throw is in range for shorter arms. They aren’t the best jumpers or fastest upwind but no drama so far = inspires confidence.

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Re: Do all kites invert equally?

Postby norcom » Wed Aug 01, 2018 1:05 pm

I've inverted my Slingshot SST 10m and 12m on quite a few occasions. I've done it on pretty much with all of my kites but these two just stand out as I can remember it happening more often with them. The short bridle just acts weird during relaunch.

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Re: Do all kites invert equally?

Postby caps » Thu Aug 02, 2018 2:43 am

Is the SS rally an above average inverter? Maybe it’s because I kite a lot in the NW US, but I once inverted rallys plenty myself, and now I seem to notice other riders rolling them more and inverting lines. Is it just cuz I’m in Slingshot central or not? Being from the NW, I can get a screaming deal on rally quivers but worry about this “apparent” tendency. It’s probably just confirmation bias.

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Re: Do all kites invert equally?

Postby plummet » Thu Aug 02, 2018 8:40 am

All kites invert equally. But some are more equal than others!
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Re: Do all kites invert equally?

Postby knyfe » Thu Aug 02, 2018 10:05 pm

I bought a rally for my son as a beginner kite and was surprised to see it inverting multiple times now. Even standing at the water edge let’s it sometimes flip inwards ... not too impressed.

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Re: Do all kites invert equally?

Postby caps » Fri Aug 03, 2018 2:50 am

I’m wondering if the delta shape is just front heavy. Slack lines maybe results in a nose dive more likely than other kites. I’m no engineer obviously. Just a thought.

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Re: Do all kites invert equally?

Postby Windigo1 » Fri Aug 03, 2018 1:46 pm

I haven't inverted a kite in many years like 5 years and I ride a lot and this year I'm mostly foiling. I think it's mostly a piloting thing when you see the lines are slack you don't let it get to the point where it's slack enough to invert you dive it down a little bit on both sides to keep more canopy exposed to the wind and the slack will go away. Yes a wave kite will drift more easily downwind so it should be less likely to have slack lines and less likely to invert.

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Re: Do all kites invert equally?

Postby FLandOBX » Fri Aug 03, 2018 1:58 pm

I think all kites invert equally. If lines go slack, most kites will roll if the wind is strong enough. I think it's good to teach (advanced) beginners how to rectify an inversion on the water. A lot of (most?) kiters don't know how, but it'll save you a trip to the beach and a lot of headaches if you learn (and teach others) the technique.

Coincidentally, my kite inverted yesterday. First time in years. My chicken loop deployed (mechanical design issue - LF bar) during a surface loop, the lines went slack, and the kite rolled. I was at least a half mile from shore, and it would've been a long swim if I didn't know how to deal with the inversion on the water.


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