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Re: Ram air caught in surf disaster

Postby apollo4000 » Sun Jan 06, 2019 2:58 pm

mr-markus wrote:
Sun Jan 06, 2019 1:35 pm
Nice to see a video posted a decade ago ffs.
Any old evidence will do to support a pre-existing opinion me thinks. I don’t own anything but LEI but I also prefer good arguments rather than kit prejudice

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Re: Ram air caught in surf disaster

Postby grandeand » Sun Jan 06, 2019 3:15 pm

it is not the kite foil or pump full of water that is dangerous, but the presence of lines in the water. Obviously in the foil kites there are more cables and therefore more dangers.
performance in freeride and especially in the race superior to any pump, obviously for the wave or freestyle the pumps are the most quoted.

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Re: Ram air caught in surf disaster

Postby TheJoe » Sun Jan 06, 2019 3:47 pm

This is a stretch here. This is like comparing apples to potatoes honestly. Paragliders are not designed at all for going down in the water and are open cell. There is no quick release to speak of instead you are attached by locking carabiners.

All so in waves and surf an inflatable kite can end up the same. Any serious wave rider will agree that you don't want to be attached to a down kite as it gets pummeled by waves.

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Re: Ram air caught in surf disaster

Postby Saami » Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:58 am

TheJoe wrote:
Sun Jan 06, 2019 3:47 pm
All so in waves and surf an inflatable kite can end up the same. Any serious wave rider will agree that you don't want to be attached to a down kite as it gets pummeled by waves.
Amen to that. I confess to having been in the same situation as in the video, with lines wrapped around my legs, struggling to get out of the water and onto the beach - and that was with an inflatable kite. Scary, but a good lesson for me. Nowadays I am super careful about trying to keep lines away from my body.

Also, the beach in the video looks treacherous. On a steep shingle beach like that, it can be a struggle to get out of a water even without a kite, when there are waves.

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Re: Ram air caught in surf disaster

Postby hongchew » Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:36 am

It would be in the same pickle if this was a strutless LEI

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Re: Ram air caught in surf disaster

Postby Janus » Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:22 am

TheJoe wrote:
Sun Jan 06, 2019 3:47 pm
This is a stretch here. This is like comparing apples to potatoes honestly. Paragliders are not designed at all for going down in the water and are open cell. There is no quick release to speak of instead you are attached by locking carabiners.

All so in waves and surf an inflatable kite can end up the same. Any serious wave rider will agree that you don't want to be attached to a down kite as it gets pummeled by waves.
Indeed apples and potatoes, but it's PMU..

We do have Quickout carabiners in paragliding 8) (used with steerable reserve parachute and also in tandem flights.. (no, not for the passenger..for the main PG :lol: ))

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Re: Ram air caught in surf disaster

Postby TheJoe » Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:29 pm

Janus wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:22 am
TheJoe wrote:
Sun Jan 06, 2019 3:47 pm
This is a stretch here. This is like comparing apples to potatoes honestly. Paragliders are not designed at all for going down in the water and are open cell. There is no quick release to speak of instead you are attached by locking carabiners.

All so in waves and surf an inflatable kite can end up the same. Any serious wave rider will agree that you don't want to be attached to a down kite as it gets pummeled by waves.
Indeed apples and potatoes, but it's PMU..

We do have Quickout carabiners in paragliding 8) (used with steerable reserve parachute and also in tandem flights.. (no, not for the passenger..for the main PG :lol: ))
I started Power Paragliding a year ago. I live on the Gulf Coast so it was my only option. Only quick release I have is on my harness and I hope to never have to un ass my motor over the water. That video of Damian Leroy a few years ago was scary stuff.

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Re: Ram air caught in surf disaster

Postby andylc » Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:36 pm

Based on the same logic as PMU I hearby denounce all inflatable kites on the basis of them being terrible for paragliding.

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Re: Ram air caught in surf disaster

Postby joriws » Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:12 pm

andylc wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:36 pm
Based on the same logic as PMU I hearby denounce all inflatable kites on the basis of them being terrible for paragliding.
Or..

Ignore the lies about safety, ~100% of kiteboarding deaths and severe injuries happen with inflatable kites.

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Re: Ram air caught in surf disaster

Postby JakeFarley » Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:02 pm

100% of all accidents are the result of getting out of bed in the morning... So stay in bed.

Just wondering if PMU sleeps on an air mattress... :D


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