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Re: marc jacobs kota - pushed harder than anyone

Postby Faxie » Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:34 am

james wrote:
Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:49 pm
So what is your point? The criteria are set out, known by the riders and they have to execute accordingly

Bitching that your fav riders didn’t ride to the agreed criteria makes no sense.

If the riders don’t like it then they need to take it up with Redbull and the judges for the next event.

It’s an event about “air” and the split reflects it.
The point is that those criteria are bullshit, when everyone capable of jumping very high could win.

It's called 'King of the Air' not 'King of the Height'. It's not a height contest. It's about doing crazy things up there, not just getting there. So it should be judged accordingly. Not 70% height, and 30% variety/skill/landings/style.

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Re: marc jacobs kota - pushed harder than anyone

Postby Toby » Wed Feb 20, 2019 1:08 am

Air = Height

The name is correct.

If you don’t agree, do your own event. Everyone is free to do so.
This is a Red Bull event and their rules. Simple as that.

There is room for many more events, but someone has to do it and finance it. So, go for it 👍🏻
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Re: marc jacobs kota - pushed harder than anyone

Postby longwhitecloud » Wed Feb 20, 2019 4:46 am

air doest mean height in english but we get that is the most important part based on 70 / 30

u compete and prepare to the rules of a comp. problem is there is no transparency to those rules to understand how they ar ecalculated.. and if you calculate based on %ages of increased height based on 70% emphasis.. there is like i said no point in doing any progressive moves... just standard advanced moves. that is the point.

and to add to this as mentioned a low ( by big air hooked in standards ) kgb won the kota

why enter an event with no judging transparency where the final details are not discussed or documented.. too open to personal opinion, bias and conflicts of interests. bring out the transparency and fix it.

what did the total prize purse end up being ?.. they only published %ages

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Re: marc jacobs kota - pushed harder than anyone

Postby Toby » Wed Feb 20, 2019 4:50 am

Judging is always open to personal taste.

Even with the freestyle scoring system there is room for personal taste when it comes to style.

Some like it higher, some lower, some more like this some more like that.
And you personally like a rider? Plus 0.5 ...

Agreed on new tricks. I suggested to KOTA judges to give +2 points for a trick not been landed during KOTA before.

Unfortunately not yet integrated.

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Re: marc jacobs kota - pushed harder than anyone

Postby plummet » Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:46 pm

jumptheshark wrote:
Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:51 pm
It's not that he doesn't have it figured out, its that he has no choice. Marc is by kiteboarding standards a heavyweight. If he wasn't you can bet he would be going for height, but he doesn't really have that option unless it downright nukes most of the smaller guys off the water. Dude has no other option than to go for something lower and hope to impress with the power and timing of his move/loop.

I don't buy this theory. Weight makes almost no difference. Just use a bigger kite for the same conditions and you are at equal standing for height. In practice i have not seen a difference either. Guys that go big, go big regardless of size.


The reality here is that Marc is not riding to the judging critea as well as the others. I think too he is pushing his technical limit too far for a competition. Doing highly risky new moves that he doesn't have fully dialled is not going to win a comp. He needs to bring those moves to the comp dialled in and landing them smooth every time. If not then don't use them other than maybe last trick of the day or something.

Kevin is a tactician that has a basket of good moves that hits the exact criteria of the comp while being smooth and boosting big with very little crashing. It makes sense that he won. Watch any trick style comp on the planet at the guy that wins is the guy who brings a dialed basket of tricks to the comp and executes them perfectly. The crashing out innovative guy who doesn't quite land his tricks smooth doesnt win.
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Re: marc jacobs kota - pushed harder than anyone

Postby tautologies » Wed Feb 20, 2019 8:43 pm

longwhitecloud wrote:
Wed Feb 20, 2019 4:46 am
air doest mean height in english but we get that is the most important part based on 70 / 30

u compete and prepare to the rules of a comp. problem is there is no transparency to those rules to understand how they ar ecalculated.. and if you calculate based on %ages of increased height based on 70% emphasis.. there is like i said no point in doing any progressive moves... just standard advanced moves. that is the point.

and to add to this as mentioned a low ( by big air hooked in standards ) kgb won the kota

why enter an event with no judging transparency where the final details are not discussed or documented.. too open to personal opinion, bias and conflicts of interests. bring out the transparency and fix it.

what did the total prize purse end up being ?.. they only published %ages

a good time now.. check that cyclone! huuuuge
Not sure how you figure it this has no transparency.
https://www.redbull.com/za-en/red-bull- ... -explained
I'm willing to bet the riders know exactly how to calculate what their scores would be. In the new Sam Light video people were rooting for Jessie, but most still said Kevin had the height. If you know that the competition provides an advantage to people with height, then it would be weird not to go for it. In that video they also discuss how judging is done.

I think all the competitors are nuts and great kiteboarders but I think that the competition seemed very fair.

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Re: marc jacobs kota - pushed harder than anyone

Postby Snapback » Wed Feb 20, 2019 8:59 pm

in an interview with a judge it was not only 70% height, it was 70% height and extremity.. so marc should def be scored higher because it was surely 10/10 extreme.. same with jesse

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Re: marc jacobs kota - pushed harder than anyone

Postby BillyGoatGruff » Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:50 pm

It's not that he doesn't have it figured out, its that he has no choice. Marc is by kiteboarding standards a heavyweight. If he wasn't you can bet he would be going for height, but he doesn't really have that option unless it downright nukes
Not sure about that, Kevin looks pretty stocky and must weigh similar to Marc Jacobs... I though Liam Whaley was the best, and throwing some big moves with height and super powered.

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Re: marc jacobs kota - pushed harder than anyone

Postby tautologies » Thu Feb 21, 2019 12:14 am

Snapback wrote:
Wed Feb 20, 2019 8:59 pm
in an interview with a judge it was not only 70% height, it was 70% height and extremity.. so marc should def be scored higher because it was surely 10/10 extreme.. same with jesse
70% Height
“Go as hard and high as possible. The height in combination with extreme moves is priority, but we will also take the horizontal distance travelled in account, combined with certain powered moves.”
30% Extremity
“Controlled extreme high moves. Think about extremely powered and/or extremely technical, or ultimately a combination of this as long as it is performed on a proper height.”
- No limitation in maximum number of moves/combinations attempted per heat (including crashes) or repetitions for the same jump.
- Only the three best tricks of the whole performance will be counted and will form part of the final result.
- When performing repetitions of the same move, the best one will be taken in account in the final score.
- Variety within the best three moves is a key-factor, as focus is to award the most complete “Extreme Big Air” rider.

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Re: marc jacobs kota - pushed harder than anyone

Postby longwhitecloud » Fri Feb 22, 2019 9:07 am

so the 70% height include distance and combines with certain powered moves...

Go talk to the WSL and consult them, that is about as ambiguous as it comes.

The day all tricks have to be landed like gymnastic, perfect precision... will be a sad day, thankfully it doesnt apply to action sports - you can still win with a bit of sketchiness because you are so gnar



so air is height, but height is distance and tricks lmfao


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