Unintended suicide mode on Core sensor 2+ bars

[downunder]

Oh, the wonders of the Internet: nitpicking over insignificant details.

The brakes of a car gets tested every time you use them to decelerate and I highly doubt you leave your reserve parachute packed for years and then trust it to function.

Same with a QR, you don't need to punch out in high winds to make sure it works. Just a regular inspection and check if everything runs freely and make sure it becomes second nature to activate it when needed.
That is how you can rely on it to work when the shit hits the fan instead of taking a big leap of faith in an untested device that has been idle for ages.

We are discussing a muscle reflex here, not a single paraglider pilot practice this when flying. Nothing to do with a reserve packaging. How do you know how am I maintaining my stuff to judge me?

Same with breaks, we have no idea how the car will behave with sudden high speed breaking to a full stop. Really, do u?
On any surface? Really? Cmon...BTW, we do not have a yearly technical car inspection as other states. Ha!

Insignificant bit in a bigger picture is using a kite quick release. Or it is significant in our tiny insignificant sport.

The opinions are just that too. Including mine.

Re Core, in AU it is absolutely insignificant brand...

[PullStrings]

circus clown on CORE payroll or drugs..

Neither

No brand affiliation
No drugs
But i'm here because i have 2 core bars
One of them has 600 sessions on it
The other 400
Had zero issues whatsoever...great bars
Always self launched over the years
Zero botched
Not just with those bars but with my North bars too
In one week with be my 20th year of kitesurfing anniversary
You have a long way to go to get there
Let's talk again we you have had 3600 sessions under your belt

[deniska]

I ride well powered, and have a height records on Woo @my local.

This does not change my attitude at all. Try to practice throwing a reserve chute, or sudden car breaking with 120km/h...

Sounds ridiculous? It is the matter of life and death too...I bet million bucks no one here is practicing sudden high speed breaking. Why? Because we put a lot of hope in the gear and our self's. And airbags, etc.

People are more concerned of breaking/loosing gear then anything else. Always do, always will. Plus, the ruined image of "confident" rider.

Why do you guys think that there is a huge tendency of self launching? Huge, massive on AU beaches?

Peacock attitude. If we really think that pulling a safety is less dangerous than self launching, well than.

well maybe you don't ride powered enough or your conditions are not that gusty..
here is another day at our beach less than a month ago:

(before I start receiving crap - it's not me I just filmed the guy and made sure he did not fly away while going towards water)
If you ride in anything similar to this conditions, you'll find yourself reaching for QR pretty often.
I self launch often, but mostly because there is no one else on the beach..
And someone else pointed that your car breaks analogy is not that convincing..
At least in US, when someone's breaks fail it makes the news and leads to factory recalls, class action suits, etc..
With kites apparently, if you mention that your safety fails, you get called a kook and fed all sorts of shit... so much negativity and not a single [Thank you] click on a root post

[PullStrings]

Ok, so they sent you replacements.
You should be happy with that and not keep bashing them with that old topic!

Everything can break. It’s still an extreme sport. As you can see from videos users post.

As for what happened now, I believe that could happen to any bar with a clip on shackle if all circumstances come together.

For sure a bad launch helper plays an important part in it too. As for mistakes from the pilot.

As everyone should know, leashes have to be attached from below, as the attached picture shows.

So, everyone should be warned to pay full attention, specially going out in strong winds (not recommended!) to their launch procedure and helper, that this won’t happen again. And that’s why also using a short kite leash is great for the most kiters, so they can quickly act and release the kite fully...since for situations like this we have the QR on the kite leash! People need also to use it.

And stop blaming Core. Things happen.
You would have done better and more credible if you had mentioned this problem without bashing Core, due to your bashing history.

Unfortunately we couldn’t pay all attention to the real problem here, which could affect many bars from many producers.

Please stop bashing now or I have to stop this topic.

Thanks for understanding!

[PullStrings]

Thank you Toby very good post

[downunder]

Daniska,

I am known to ask difficult questions.

I will repeat, u kite how often? 100h/year?

How many hours we spend in a car driving over 100km/h? I spend about 100. Kiting the same.

Do I know how will my car behave on a sudden stop? No idea, and just hoping that will survive. If u never driven more than 200km/h, well...

If never piloted a paraglider, well...

Toby’s post? Hmmmm... This leash clip is a finger/line/etc catching device. Should be forbidden on the kite, but, don’t listen to me.

Use your own judgement. Remember, hope for the best b/c the industry does not want to provide better. They are providing optimal per price to max profit. Ha!

Sorry, if anyone is using that clip, you should know better.

PS this vid u posted is average condition on my local. 25-35kn is when I shine. Russians?

Here, go figure:
https://www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Kit ... /Rockstars

We want safety of others on a launch? Than stop self launching on a busy spots.

[deniska]

circus clown on CORE payroll or drugs..

Neither

No brand affiliation
No drugs
But i'm here because i have 2 core bars
One of them has 600 sessions on it
The other 400
Had zero issues whatsoever...great bars
Always self launched over the years
Zero botched
Not just with those bars but with my North bars too
In one week with be my 20th year of kitesurfing anniversary
You have a long way to go to get there
Let's talk again we you have had 3600 sessions under your belt

sorry but this sounds like silly claims from a pothead.
3600 sessions is 10 years worth of everyday kiting (no breaks).
break it in 20 years and you have to be kiting every second day.. where do you live with this wind consistency? and how can you afford to kite every day w/o any affiliation with the industry.. hmm..
400-600 sessions on a bar with zero issues no reasonable person would believe that and even if so, simple math proves that you gotta have 2-3 year old bar which is NOT SENSOR 2+ and has zero relevance to this topic.
On the old bar, btw, the safety/lines will get chewed up in 20-30 sessions if you do any looping or rotations..Not a problem for average weekend warrior-lawn mower but you must have replaced them 20-50 times? (talking both bars)
And year, the guy claims no ties to the industry but somehow can trace transaction details on a core kite that was bought in Bulgaria and claimed warranty in the US..
common stop with your lies and fantasies...

[deniska]

Ok, so they sent you replacements.
You should be happy with that and not keep bashing them with that old topic!

Toby,

with all due respect your logic here is laughable.
I'll give you a car analogy:
your breaks fail you hit a tree, crash your car and break your legs.
but hey the car company sent you free breaks replacements on warranty! woohoo!!! case closed, no need to be pissed..

[Toby]

Clearly there was mistakes made at the launch.

If you make a mistake in a car you can also have an accident.

That’s logic.

[downunder]

Toby,

This clip is not safe. period.

You are the one who can advice the industry. Not me. We talking about this for years, nothing changed...

Nothing will.