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Re: Why isn't sliding rope bar more prevalent?

Postby juandesooka » Wed Feb 27, 2019 7:23 pm

Interesting thread. My first use of dynabar slider was a WOW moment ... the freeing up of hips for toeside riding felt amazing, I was sold immediately. Now with more foiling, even more sold on sliders. With more acute upwind angles, especially toeside, I find the fixed hook feels restrictive.

In the kite surfing community in past years, the benefits of a moving hook was accommodated by leaving waist harness loose, so the entire harness effectively becomes a slider (see early Ben Wilson instructional videos). Which is a much less efficient way to achieve this, when the harness is built to accommodate your lumbar. The tipping point seems to be the rise of Ride Engine as the go-to cool brand for surf focused kiters. Their fixed hook is an after thought, they've always been about a slider ... and as simple a system as it gets, chicken loop on rope. This seems to have taken off ... and lately it seems to be generally agreed for those primarily seeking waves, that allowing some movement of the attachment point is a good thing. Though maybe not for the GKA types, where airs a big part of the repetoire, and a fixed hook is beneficial for that.

I think the slider has to be smooth to be effective and satisfying. The Da Kine one where the slider is on the webbing is too jerky. The chicken loop on rope is also too jerky, plus wears out the rope too fast. Now that my dynabar slider finally broken (4-5 years of use), I now use a steel carabiner between the c loop and rope, works well and allows for leashed self launches and self landings. There are nice stainless yachting gizmos that do this very cleanly, as well as giving potential to get rid of c loop altogether -- as it becomes redundant without the hook it is designed to clip onto. But that's mad scientist stuff, a whole 'nother thread! ;-)

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Re: Why isn't sliding rope bar more prevalent?

Postby flying grandpa » Wed Feb 27, 2019 10:33 pm

jumptheshark wrote:
Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:35 pm
Have played around with both a slider and a pivot going back and forth for months at a time. For use with a hardshell harness I prefer the slider.
Do we need with shell harness the spreader bar at all ?!

Hard shell itself can play the role of a spreader bar.
It needs only to be a bit stiffer.
And to apply initial tension significanly bigger than created by velcro wide strap.
Can be easily done by 2 click straps used on snowboard bindings.

This way we can get rid of 400 Grams spreader bar on our belly.
Spread may be much wider, giving surfers-foilers better toeside angles.

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Re: Why isn't sliding rope bar more prevalent?

Postby jumptheshark » Wed Feb 27, 2019 10:42 pm

Sure you can,

Think Ride Engine are pretty decent with their carbon spreader for their slider. I don't really worry about 400 g here and there with anything but my surfboard and maybe my strutless kites.

I have the Ride Engine metal spreaders for both hook and slider and like those well enough.

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Re: Why isn't sliding rope bar more prevalent?

Postby kaioe » Thu Feb 28, 2019 12:49 pm

It would be really interesting what spreader bar the top 10 guys at ponta preta running at the moment ....would be nice to get a close picture of these guys setup ....anybody there to make some shots ?

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Re: Why isn't sliding rope bar more prevalent?

Postby jumptheshark » Thu Feb 28, 2019 3:19 pm

I tried looking and its tough to see. I think most of them wear whatever their sponsor wants them to wear.

The sliding spreader not been seen much in competitions other than maybe the wave classic in OBX. The west coast (US) wave scene was the vanguard for that and you cant find a hook spreader bar in any of the video coming from that region over the past 5 years.

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Re: Why isn't sliding rope bar more prevalent?

Postby Exal » Thu Feb 28, 2019 4:39 pm

This might be good for this topic. Mystic is releasing a new spreader bar: http://prntscr.com/mrep9c

Source: https://youtu.be/5ifKQxu668A?t=840
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Re: Why isn't sliding rope bar more prevalent?

Postby kaioe » Thu Feb 28, 2019 5:59 pm

well the mystic thing is not really anything new just a sliding rope ...

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Re: Why isn't sliding rope bar more prevalent?

Postby jumptheshark » Thu Feb 28, 2019 6:09 pm

van·guardDictionary result for vanguard
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a group of people leading the way in new developments or ideas.
"the experimental spirit of the modernist vanguard"


The west coast US wave riding scene of about 8=10 years ago put the rope slider on the map.

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Re: Why isn't sliding rope bar more prevalent?

Postby kaioe » Thu Feb 28, 2019 6:14 pm

yes sorry got it already was misreading and thought about a vanguard equipment ...

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Re: Why isn't sliding rope bar more prevalent?

Postby Laughingman » Thu Feb 28, 2019 6:29 pm

kaioe wrote:
Thu Feb 28, 2019 5:59 pm
well the mystic thing is not really anything new just a sliding rope ...
I believe this self tightens similar to how the ION C Bar does. When you close the lever it tightens so you don't have to keep loosening and tightening the straps.

I have not seen it except for this picture so I am just guessing but that is how it looks to me.


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