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Re: Is strapless overrated?

Postby jumptheshark » Mon Feb 25, 2019 6:35 pm

OK, here we go!
Matteo V wrote:
Mon Feb 25, 2019 4:41 pm
jumptheshark wrote:
Mon Feb 25, 2019 11:19 am
Matteo V wrote:
Mon Feb 25, 2019 6:17 am
First off, thanks jumpy for not avoiding the direct challenge. And so......



Evidence for performance:
1. Going faster is quantifiable in measured speed for which strapped absolutely beats strapless
2. Handling chop better is quantifiable with how far and at what top speed you can enter, and continue through chop - Do you actually think you can handle chop better, at a higher speed while strapless on the same board?
3. Aerial maneuvers strapped can be done "on the fly" and changed mid execution while strapped by almost any level of kiter attempting those maneuvers, whereas the same or similar maneuvers strapless must be pre-planned and cannot be changed mid execution by almost any skill level.

Go ahead and try to debunk the above 3 pieces of evidence that strapped allows more performance. If you think anyone of the above is just an opinion, tell us why you think so and present your evidence.
Going faster is not a measure of performance for me in this context.
Thanks for answering, and let me put your response up with your previous post.
jumptheshark wrote:
Sun Feb 24, 2019 10:41 pm
Your opinion of what is and isn't performance is not evidence. It's opinion. You state it as fact, when its far from it........ Dogma.....

You dispute the numbers? I assure you they stand up.....
As I said, speed is not really a pertinent parameter of surfboard performance in this context. Strapless boards seem to fit well within the "Performance Envelope" of most who ride in waves. By numbers standing up I am referring to just that... Not your comparison of MPH, but sheer numbers of riders world wide who choose strapless over strapped, and in so doing infer that speed is not a relevant handicap for the bulk of them either. I know, I know, were all victims of fad and fashion!

You posted your criteria and I pointed out that they are by and large irrelevant to the strapless inclined.

As to your concern over my comprehension. Look a little closer.
jumptheshark wrote:
Mon Feb 25, 2019 11:19 am
You present your principles as incontrovertible yet they are not even compatible with the parameters of performance I value. You state them over and over with authority......... Dogma
dog·ma - a principle or set of principles laid down by an authority as incontrovertibly true.

Could it be that I chose those words by coincidence? Inconceivable!


As you are neither a Sicilian nor is death on the line, let me end with pure personal opinion.

Everything you have presented so far, from your choice of board, to categorizing an airush sector as a surfboard, to your ideas on board weight, strap use, and "performance parameters" for surfboards in general coupled with the unforgettable image of you on said fish bouncing off a slider in a bike helmet has informed my personal opinion.....

I'm pretty solidly convinced you lack credibility when it comes to giving kiteboarding related advice.
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Re: Is strapless overrated?

Postby longwhitecloud » Tue Feb 26, 2019 2:08 am

A performance shortboard in surfing, generally refers to what they ride on the WSL.

Hard rails (low drag.. fast), pointy nose (duckdiving and steep drops), low volume ( sink tail into wave), narrow tail (speed control/ turning).

I would say it is the same for kitesurfing. Unfortunately many of the brands making surfboards for kiteboarding dont have the first clue what they are doing with board design. Copy and paste kooks.

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Re: Is strapless overrated?

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Re: Is strapless overrated?

Postby Matteo V » Tue Feb 26, 2019 4:09 pm

Jan:) wrote:
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This is the reality of this situation. The first one is a 4 cyllander, the second one is an 8 with more than twice the displacement. That is strapless vs strapped.

And you would be correct that the second one is heavier around a corner.

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Re: Is strapless overrated?

Postby jumptheshark » Tue Feb 26, 2019 4:18 pm

More like making one an automatic transmission.

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Re: Is strapless overrated?

Postby Matteo V » Tue Feb 26, 2019 4:40 pm

jumptheshark wrote:
Tue Feb 26, 2019 4:18 pm
More like making one an automatic transmission.
In complete agreement on this one with you!!!!!!!!

Most racing circuits banned automatic transmissions when they got good enough to smoke even the best manual transmission drivers. Keepin it real by keepin it in the dark ages!

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Re: Is strapless overrated?

Postby tegirinenashi » Tue Feb 26, 2019 4:53 pm

Are we on page#10 yet? Make it happen!

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Re: Is strapless overrated?

Postby fzonatto » Tue Feb 26, 2019 4:55 pm

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Re: Is strapless overrated?

Postby Peter_Frank » Tue Feb 26, 2019 6:59 pm

fzonatto wrote:
Tue Feb 26, 2019 4:55 pm
just cut this all wave shut off is worthless if u want to surf go surf, kite is something else

Very true - surfing is one thing, kitesurfing in waves is a totally different ballgame.

Some like strapless, others like straps, and a few change on conditions - as simple as that, nothing more to it.

Everybody want to "defend" their own preferences, which is plain stupid IMO, as there is no wrong or right here, just do what you like to do :thumb:

Please let us stop before page 10 :roll:

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Re: Is strapless overrated?

Postby JakeFarley » Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:58 pm

Agree with Peter, just do what you like. Personally I like a woman in a strapless dress, bikini, etc. Oops, a bit off topic perhaps? Just couldn't resist, 8)


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