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kiteboarding is very much not alone in IOC disputes

Postby longwhitecloud » Sun Mar 10, 2019 2:49 am

As the IOC seeks to capitalise on the potential advertising revenue gain from new action sports, the vultures circle seeking to squirm their way to financial gain.


Kiteboarding is not alone as a sport that governed itself until the feint sniff of potential olympic $ >>> CHECK THESE OTHER SPORTS GOING THOUGHT THE SAME THING

Why anyone would want these sailing kooks trying muscle in on kiteboarding unless they were paid $ (countries may pay riders using the tax you pay in a country in order to get potential medals), god knows. The IOC/World Sailing say it is about the kids, women, youth and poorer countries and then choose formula kite - the most inaccessible, niche, lowest balance of male to female (to qualify for youth olympics you just needed to show up), expensive part of kiteboarding.

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SUP

After 10+ years of surfing organising SUP, canoeing claims it holds the worldwide rights to the sport.

http://www.surfingnz.co.nz/12705-2/

SKATEBOARDING

Skateboarding was chosen to be governed by the International Roller Sports Federation (FIRS) (BY IOC - this went down soooooo very badly with skateboarders! lol Also in many countries new organisations that had more in the way of legal history than the sports history - well actually none of the sports history. Many countries skaters are livid as country based organisations pop up like vultures. Having skateboarding run by rollerskaters is as bad a kiteboarding run by sailors!

https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles ... ute-sorted

SNOWBOARDING

Skier (FIS) tell the most experienced olympic slopestylers in the world it is safe to run the heats, riders end up injured.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/ ... cl-rupture



KITEBOARDING

World Sailing Kite Kooks.



These disputes are about $, nothing to do with the good of the sports. Corruption is rife as has been clearly demonstrated.

By kiteboarders for kiteboarders. Kiteboarding is not a Sailing discipline.

If you believe this you should not support any events that support or are members of World sailing/IKA/GKA etc. That might well include your countries kiteboarding organisation too. Carrots on sticks.

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Re: kiteboarding is very much not alone in IOC disputes

Postby Toby » Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:57 am

You sound like PMU’s brother.

I wonder what you think would change if it is in the hands of kitesurfers?
IMO it would be pretty much the same.

If you think it would be better not having the sailors support, ask event organizers if this would makes things better for them...

I do respect people who are not just talking. Because talk is cheap. Actually doing something is the way to go.

If you want a change, put your personal time and money into it and go after what you think is best.
And then we will see if things got better.

Not doing anything just complaining is boring.
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Re: kiteboarding is very much not alone in IOC disputes

Postby longwhitecloud » Sun Mar 10, 2019 9:24 am

Read the articles, they tell some stories that kiteboarding can learn from.

Asked would IKA (world sailing) would ban youth competitors from the Youth Olympic Games 2018 because they competed in a locally organised IFKO event?

"If local events are promoted by an association who also claim world title, then you should not compete also in the local event as it's against the law" that is a less than subtle yes then....

I wonder what you think would change if it is in the hands of kitesurfers?

I think think you would find a lot more actual grass roots kiters/ kite companies would commit to investing in many areas of promoting kiting without worrying about legal threats and politics. That the time and effort they put in, and the directions that they encourage based on their extensive kiting experience, will not be diverted in the future based on legalities and bad decisions by non kiters with only $ their interest. To see an organisation like world sailing using their subcontractors (ika gka) to legally threaten a sport that had its own world championships 10 years prior to their involvement is sickening. The direction kiting takes - increasing youth/women/developing nation participation was indeed cheap talk.

After the carrots on sticks to pro riders , legal threats to pro riders , promises - a few years on... Robby Naish sees an end to IKAs attempted control of non racing disciplines and pro riders cannot afford to enter world sailing events as the prize money is so pathetic.

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Postby Toby » Sun Mar 10, 2019 10:10 am

I agree with you in this point that banning riders from competitions because they ride other ones is a no go.

Once PKRA, KPWT and IKA stayed with this threat I was always strongly against it and told the guys my opinion and that this should not be fought on the back of the riders, since they try to survive and need any prize money to get along.

Didn’t help unfortunately, but also the riders did a mistake in not unifying and boycott events and tours who would use this practice...their union came too late back then.

And still they wouldn’t use their force to stop this practice if this comes up again.

Because a not so good rider sees his chance in winning if he rides an event the others boycott...

Another problem is now, that the GKA is formed by most big brands, and they could tell riders to not attempt other events...

All politics...on the back of the riders. People involved in this should be ashamed of their doings!

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Postby longwhitecloud » Sun Mar 10, 2019 12:10 pm

It is actually an illegal practice in most countries in the world I believe. It is anti competitive practice. I think they know that and leverage the legal threat possibilities. We all know that the mere threat of litigation towards a kite organisation or riders by way of being banned is bullying plain and simple. Bullying using their financial system (able to afford continuous litigation) via the legal system, how is a 19 year old competitor supposed to deal with that? That is not what they should be dealing with, then what happens?

A few years later what has changed?

More youth? not really. Like I said you just had to turn up to qualify for the youth olympics. Adverts showed up asking for competitors - no experience of racing necessary - so irresponsible and dangerous - Dimitri even commented on this - rediculous! Are you going to send your children out to race in this situation? No f#4ing way. Putting kids at risk. FAIL

Is the equipment for olympics affordable? They chose the ridiculously expensive option of cour$e despite saying youth participation and developing country 3rd world country participation was key factor in its choice. Delivery? FAIL

More women? They can barely get enough competitors together to make it look like a real olympic potential sport. Many countries don't have any women competitors at all, and most had barely a handful, many 1 or 2. Someone spun a serious bunch of b#$#$llshit! FAIL

More Money for professional riders - eeer no - Top riders today barely make enough $ not to take a second job. Prize money often barely covers costs. FAIL.

IMO it has negatively impacted on kiteboarding in a big way.

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Postby Toby » Sun Mar 10, 2019 12:37 pm

But of this would not be IKA it would be the same.

But pretty sure with the sailing structure things will change in few years and many more youngsters will be attending. It’s just starting. All needs time.

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Postby evan » Sun Mar 10, 2019 1:56 pm

In the Netherlands hydrofoil racing is exploding this year due to the Olympic status. Interesting times and good to see the interest in racing growing among the youth here.

They tried to get some Dutch freestyle riders qualified for the youth Olympics with no race training but failed miserably. Don't know about other continents, but for Europe you needed to have a good racing background to make any chance at the qualifiers.

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Postby Toby » Sun Mar 10, 2019 2:25 pm

but whats Olympic format now? TT or hydrofoil racing? Or still not decided yet?

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Postby evan » Sun Mar 10, 2019 2:32 pm

Gear will be Formula Kite, so hydrofoil + foilkite.

Only thing that can change is the exact mixed relay format, still have to see how that plays out in real life. But for the watching public it should be better to follow than big fleet racing.

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Re: kiteboarding is very much not alone in IOC disputes

Postby longwhitecloud » Sun Mar 10, 2019 3:16 pm

Lets see- it has been a few years now and nothing good has come of it really - impossible now to compete in freestyle/waves with the prize money levels and make it worth it as a top level rider - all this after legal threat to riders barely scraping a living for entering a rival comp of much needed prize money.. did they get to eat the carrot on the stick ... no way.

Who will benefit - coaches and employees of these organisations- they can earn good $ and the riders can be paid to train if they have a very good chance to medal for their country.


World Sailing employee costs Total $4 500 000 . CEO gets $400 000 .


Prize money for coming 4th in a sailing kite kook world event? Kiters that dedicate their life full time to their profession. Not enough to cover the flight.


Oh and the CEO doesnt even sail, let alone actually know what kitesurfing is all about.

Think things are going to get any better? World sailing has been quoted as being financially crippled this last year.


Wonder why they wanted to use kiteboarding - because IOC gives them about $20 000 000 for an olympic campaign and IOC told them if they didnt choose kiting for the youth appeal they might not keep sailing as an olympic sport so no funding. They didnt even really want it. That is how messed up this all is.


How many women competed in the 2017 Forumula Kite world championships out of all of planet earth at the time they were pimping it hard out to IOC? 4

A huge con job.

You keep the faith though... just a few more years.


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