I'll second that ^
OP makes 3 points.
Yes. I think the popularity of waist harnesses is mostly for the same reason so many people hook their leashes to the back of their harnesses, even though they NEVER unhook. The reason is that they see all the cool kids wearing a waist, so that's what they want to get so they "won't be a beginner" anymore. The fact of the matter is that both styles of harness have their pros and cons. I tend to put my beginners on seat harness both for the lessons and typically for their first purchase. Sure, they'd benefit from unencumbered legs during all that walking back upwind they're going to be doing for a bit. BUT, it won't help hold that harness down while they're doing it. Not to mention, as has previously been noted, beginners do a LOT of things that seasoned kiters don't. A lot of unexpected kite movement when they make mistakes causes the harness to ride up. And a seat allows them to use their bodyweight to help them counter the force of the kite by sitting against it. Yes, the seat is going to lessen their flexibility, but getting the board on with one is a piece of cake, if you know the technique. I teach it to every single one of my students, and without fail, it works.
Waist harness goes up when the kite goes to relative 12 eg. you fall and get pulled through the water with the kite low. If you're not fit and wedge shaped, you'll never get it back down to your waist unless you go back to the shore and land the kite, especially if you have the harness tight.taabsr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2019 10:00 amIn different sources, I have found some good comments, and so I'll re-edit the video to give more info about the decision regarding the waist or seat harness in the lessons.
Advantages of seat:
-Lower center of gravity allowing the bar to stay closer (better for kids, people with short arms or people with a back problem), also this allows for the transfer of power to be closer to the board.
- doesn't need such a tight fit as the waist because it uses your legs.
Disadvantage:
The problem is that it's more uncomfortable on the legs and reduces a bit of freedom/mobility.
Teaching procedure:
- Due to incorrect posture by staying straight the harness can go up, also keeping the kite at 12 can do the same. For this, The waist or seat is the same, and the correction is on the teaching method not on equipment. Make sure to learn how to keep the kite low and on one side of the wind window, it is how you will ride, walk and do everything so better learn that instead of things you will not be doing like keeping the kite at 12 all the time.
Most people use waist due to freedom and mobility so it's important and relevant to have that experience in the school so you can decide after what suits you better. The teaching procedure should be the same to make sure you learn the correct way.
126cm (49.5") chestGraemeF wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:54 pmLots of reasons seat harnesses are more versatile, one you don't have to be so accurate with the fit, two lots of beginners don't have a 'waist' fact is if you measure your chest under your armpits and that measurement isn't a good couple of inches greater than the measurement around your middle MatteoV then you shouldn't even contemplate a waist harness.
Now back in the day when you had to learn how to control the kite by edging hard, a seat harness was more effective with the lower centre of effort affording greater power to be applied to the rail.
The waist harness only comes into it's own, when you're atheletically wedge shaped and you want to perform ariel maouevres, with the higher hook and higher centre of gravity your legs give better lower weight re-orientation on landings and stuff.
However you can, or used to be able to get high hook waist harnesses or those shorts type spoken of back there.
The final advanatage, breathing, they don't restrict breathing like a really tight waist harness can, if pulled up tight on an ill fitting body shape so it won't ride up.
Oh yes there's one more thing, beginners like buoyancy vests and seat harnesses work better with them.
Can you maybe put some more detail into your assertion here?
Wait......it appears I have been trolled with big words followed by "and stuff". Still, very much at your service - Cappy!
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