Regardless of how the lines release (a. release 3 lines with a single front line tensioned, or b. release 2 lines [both rear] and tension both fronts), the CL still has to operate before you even get to a point where you can consider the kite "released to primary safety". Also, the release needs to be re-loadable in real world conditions for it to be of any use after activation.
yo......we get it.Matteo V wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2019 4:22 pmRegardless of how the lines release (a. release 3 lines with a single front line tensioned, or b. release 2 lines [both rear] and tension both fronts), the CL still has to operate before you even get to a point where you can consider the kite "released to primary safety". Also, the release needs to be re-loadable in real world conditions for it to be of any use after activation.
Many kite companies, for 15years or so, were coming out with "new" releases that could not preform either a reliable activation, or possible reloading in real world conditions, within a reasonable lifespan for that system.
The only thing that North did absoutley right, which others are just now catching up to, is make a release that could preform the above functions for an incredibly long lifespan.
As far as single line flag out being the new industry standard - do you remember the bridle system that Cabrinha had that released to 2 front lines but would almost mimic a 5th line system? That was great IF you could reload the system to get going again - which was a huge issue for some of the Cabrinha release versions. So there was still some development going on at the point which North already had a reliable release.
North had some backward views, as far as the direction kites have gone in the last 5years. One of them was the "5th line" concept. They were actually the last hold out for that system for bow/delta SLE kites. And that is the most likely reason that North held on to the "release to both front lines" system. Kiters had a choice. If they wanted the ultimate in safety, just use the 5th line system with a bow/delta kite. If they wanted fast relaunch after safety activation, use the Quad control bar.
There are reasons that the 5th line concept died out. But none of them were safety. It remains to this day, the safest flag out system. It is just not convenient to use. And North held on to that for far too long.
Just to reiterate, I am not pimping North. I think almost everything else they did besides the IronHeart CL was......well, at least not to my liking's. But they nailed this one thing.
And ScoopZ, what "responsibility" do you think they bear??? Did the double front line safety cause accidents? I actually still use that type of safety on my kites, except for my main back up bar. Should I be made aware of something?
Nope, they had the fuse and evo on 4 lines. Still, there was a backstory on the sle licence thing that involved north and best.
For LEI maybe, and for some foils, but any single line rear or front works well on foils and is unmatched or something like ARCs.Matteo V wrote:It remains to this day, the safest flag out system.
Easy reloading is far over rated. The release should really only be used were reload is not even a consideration. You have accidental releases, but that is just poor design. You shouldn't be fixing a leaky bucket with another bucket.Matteo V wrote: Also, the release needs to be re-loadable in real world conditions for it to be of any use after activation.
It is still a giant joke. Even Flysurfer is now using the north release after how many of their much lauded attempts. The other giant joke is they all center around chicken loops which.... practically no one needs. One can only deduce that designers in the kite industry arn't the brightest lot. A lack of reasoning from basic correct principles would explain it. Also explains why foil kites were dismissed for so long.Matteo V wrote: Many kite companies, for 15years or so, were coming out with "new" releases
Self refuting argument......still, good post and thanks!
I am appreciative of your response. But I call BS on this. Just with the safety maintained by reloading quickly and getting back under way quickly, in regards to innocent beach goers, your statement goes out the window.foilholio wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2019 8:52 pmFor LEI maybe, and for some foils, but any single line rear or front works well on foils and is unmatched or something like ARCs.Matteo V wrote:It (5th line) remains to this day, the safest flag out system.
Easy reloading is far over rated. The release should really only be used were reload is not even a consideration. You have accidental releases, but that is just poor design. You shouldn't be fixing a leaky bucket with another bucket.Matteo V wrote: Also, the release needs to be re-loadable in real world conditions for it to be of any use after activation.
Matteo V wrote: Many kite companies, for 15years or so, were coming out with "new" releases
I need this......sometime. If I break a line, or do something stupid. I call on my release. Hope it works.....and hope I am OK! as well as the beach were I kite.foilholio wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2019 8:52 pmThe other giant joke is they all center around chicken loops which.... practically no one needs. One can only deduce that designers in the kite industry arn't the brightest lot. A lack of reasoning from basic correct principles would explain it. Also explains why foil kites were dismissed for so long.
Must have missed you when that discussion was taking place then, which distributor were you working for?
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