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Re: Hey surfers whats the difference betwen swollow tail, V tail and regular?

Postby jumptheshark » Fri Apr 26, 2019 1:43 pm

longwhitecloud wrote:
Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:34 am
plummet wrote:
Wed Apr 24, 2019 7:17 pm
longwhitecloud wrote:
Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:37 am
the surf industry (and kiting industry) is always trying to do something new (often old) - new ideas get hype going and sales . .but the designs that dont stand the test of time soon disappear... what was hot 3-4 years ago (eg vanguard hype) is dead in the water now.

it is amazing the power of how something looks or is marketed - even if it is a pile of s$it.

> > too much volume and you cannot sink the tail in the wave . -when you have a kite trying to pull you off a wave - even more useful
Every industry does that. Its called business. There's no point getting annoyed about it. Pick the good from the bad and move on!
Many people blindly believe what they are told, some ask questions.
Dead in the water? I don't think so. The vanguard has had a pretty large and lasting effect on kite surfboard design. They got people onto much shorter boards. Down 10-12 inches from the previous standard of the classic 6'1 shortboard. How many noseless boards are there on the market now? They are common place. The channels. Also totally common place now. The design has moved on with the vader for real steep waves, the evo for mush, but the vanguard is still right in the middle and a great choice for those who want a single board to cover a lot of conditions. Parallel rail nearly the full length with no extra. The strapless freestyle crowd appreciates the balance in the air witout that point. Sized right, it was a pretty decent step forward. They have a pretty wide tail that you have to stomp right on the back of, but overall are a great option with a kite, and have left their mark.

Dude you need some happy pills or something.

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Re: Hey surfers whats the difference betwen swollow tail, V tail and regular?

Postby mikelet » Fri Apr 26, 2019 2:26 pm

First noseless boards were Salomon Noseless and North Freestylefish 2008 and Tomo was not the first to introduce and mix channels and quads on kitesurfboards , Naish Custom Fish from 2011 was , as it was also Wainman Hawaii Gambler 5'11 from first versions ....a shape from Sean Ordonez . Both wayyyy better designs than the Tomo things for serious waves , but hey !!,you'll not look as cool and snobby than with Tomos :thumb:

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Re: Hey surfers whats the difference betwen swollow tail, V tail and regular?

Postby jumptheshark » Fri Apr 26, 2019 2:53 pm

Not first, but pretty easily considered the breakout version that influenced the market.

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Re: Hey surfers whats the difference betwen swollow tail, V tail and regular?

Postby andylc » Fri Apr 26, 2019 3:35 pm

...and still very popular boards so definitely not dead in the water, what a strange comment!

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Re: Hey surfers whats the difference betwen swollow tail, V tail and regular?

Postby TomW » Fri Apr 26, 2019 4:42 pm

Ive read a lot about surfboard design over the years, and learned from this reading that a swallow allows rear part of outline at rails to be straighter to give better power in turns a relatively slow speed, and allows to do snappy lip cut back. the square tail can be same shape but has more area so its harder to sink the tail for snappy pivot turns. the Squash is more progressive in its behavior.
theres so many variables, its nearly impossible to isolate the individual elements.

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Re: Hey surfers whats the difference betwen swollow tail, V tail and regular?

Postby longwhitecloud » Sat Apr 27, 2019 12:25 am

i see far fewer riders on square nosed boards compared to 3 years ago, they dont sell like they used to... fw just did a $500 direct liquidation i went to.. the square nosed board racks were still full and not moving, their more tradition stuff shape wise flying out the door. i dont see vaders and vanguards on the racks for sale anywhere any more unless on closeout.

they stick to your feet good tho ( heliuim sooo light)and track well... but in waves i think the pure gimmick of the shape ( especially vanguard) has had its day as an overall shape, kiteboarding brands took the concept without a clue about wave board design and produced some of the worst kiteboards for surfing i ever had the displeasure of riding.

it really all depends on the conditions you ride in though.. straight railed boards with flatter rocker may turn like s$it but they are fast and can get through flat spots way easier in mushy surf.

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Re: Hey surfers whats the difference betwen swollow tail, V tail and regular?

Postby iriejohn » Sun Apr 28, 2019 8:46 pm

handy wrote:
Fri Apr 26, 2019 11:11 am
Many people blindly believe what they are told, some ask questions.
and some obviously don't understand the answers .
and some understand the answers but lack the emotional intelligence to be able to admit that they were wrong and change their minds.

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Re: Hey surfers whats the difference betwen swollow tail, V tail and regular?

Postby jjm » Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:30 pm

What is the water speed velocity of an unladen swallow tail?

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Re: Hey surfers whats the difference betwen swollow tail, V tail and regular?

Postby knotwindy » Tue Apr 30, 2019 3:01 am

African or European?

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Re: Hey surfers whats the difference betwen swollow tail, V tail and regular?

Postby FarQueLot » Tue Apr 30, 2019 5:16 am

European, the African is non migratory


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