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Sweat shop kite manufacturing

Postby madworld » Thu May 02, 2019 5:05 pm

Anybody know if any kite brands have fair trade kite manufacturing?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_trade

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Re: Sweat shop kite manufacturing

Postby grigorib » Thu May 02, 2019 6:33 pm

I hope not! Imperialism has still so much more to enjoy and thrive upon countries which didn't develop fast enough.

Not only we will have the diamonds, we will manufacture weapons for them so they keep them bloody. Western civilization as you know it. Eastern is about the same except a bit more cruel than that and more honest about it.
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Re: Sweat shop kite manufacturing

Postby Mossy 757 » Thu May 02, 2019 7:53 pm

I'm not 100% sure, but I think Flysurfer manufactures their kites in Germany...

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Re: Sweat shop kite manufacturing

Postby Matteo V » Fri May 03, 2019 1:10 am

So this has been gone over before, but it still needs to be said again.

First, I like the idea of "fair trade" as much as anyone. It can work to at least a partial degree, but only in respect to country/region specific natural resources available nowhere else. Only examples of diamonds of a certain quality, precious metals (as in some platinum group metals), and some indigenous flora or fauna. And that is great!

But when you do it with something like, say petroleum, increasing the cost of importation simply increases the incentive to source from elsewhere, or domestically.


And here is the explanation of the flaw in the concept with regards to kiteboarding equipment-

A particular product, capable of being produced locally for a higher cost OR produced in a 2nd/3rd world country for a lower cost, is selected. The end user (say UK consumer) is given the choice of buying:

(A) a cheaper foreign produced item
(B) a MORE expensive foreign produced item
(C) a locally produced item the same cost as (B).

In the ideal world, (B) is chosen, and both (A) and (C) are passed over. This is out of the kindness of the heart of the end user (UK customer) and concern for the plight of those in a foreign country. But here is the effect that this decision has:

IF the additional money sent to the 2nd/3rd world country ever makes it to the worker on the line (pretty big if), it has some negative consequences itself. First, increasing wages increases rents and taxes - taking a huge portion of that additional money. Then the price of goods (groceries, transportation, etc...) goes up as there is more money to be passed around. Thus some more of that increase is taken up. And with an increase in wages and potential prosperity, more people move into an already crowded area. This increases the use of utilities, sewers, and pollution in countries with virtually no environmental regulations.

So you can see that in a way, the lower prices we pay for foreign produced goods has some to do with the labor costs, but also with the lack of environmental protection associated with that production and the laborers living standards.

Thus in the end, the environmentally conscientious end user (UK customer) looks to locally produced goods, if for nothing else - just to save the environment in that foreign country and to not pollute the earth so much. Many other benefits are realized by this, such as not having to ship the goods across the ocean, and having a much faster "production to market" time line.

Then, those formerly well paid line workers in the foreign country can go back to farming or other labor available, if any. If not, then they have no jobs at all.



So my personal opinion, as well as the opinion (at least in the end) of the "sweat shop" workers is - send them money if you can, but don't eliminate their job by sending that money. It is a sad state of affairs as it is now, just try not to make it worse for those you are concerned for.
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Re: Sweat shop kite manufacturing

Postby BWD » Fri May 03, 2019 1:15 am

Few years back there was an article or video about one of the major asian kite sewing lofts. Said they paid the seamstresses well, better than other factories and certainly better than the garment industry. Supposedly a good living wage. Propaganda or not?
I don’t know.

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Re: Sweat shop kite manufacturing

Postby marekmk » Fri May 03, 2019 10:19 am

Ozone has its own production facility in Vietnam. I have been to three factories over the last 7 years and the ozone plant has a great ethic of looking after the workers.

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Re: Sweat shop kite manufacturing

Postby SolarSet » Fri May 03, 2019 10:35 am

Mossy 757 wrote:
Thu May 02, 2019 7:53 pm
I'm not 100% sure, but I think Flysurfer manufactures their kites in Germany...
if you are not 100% maybe its better not to comment ? :thumb:
they make their kites in China and boards in Europe/Poland

It's better when poor people have a source of income and work than starve to death because have no work?

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Re: Sweat shop kite manufacturing

Postby kitexpert » Fri May 03, 2019 11:59 am

SolarSet wrote:
Fri May 03, 2019 10:35 am

It's better when poor people have a source of income and work than starve to death because have no work?
Why those people (which are very skilled and hard working people, better workers than what is available in the west) should be payed only a fraction of what is payed to us?

It is a fact we are exploiting poor developing countries and their people mercilessly - our high living standard is quite a lot based on it. We could pay them much more for their work, products and raw materials but of course we don't want to, it would be bad business. Western capitalism rules, and if you are not compliant it will desert you and find other countries which have suitable cheap workers. Search is continuous: we need poverty, we thrive on it - biggest fear for us is if all people would be equal. Then we had to do many things by ourselves, we would have to work much more.

This question goes of course far beyond kite surfing but our sport is from the worse end of spectrum in this respect, unfortunately.

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Re: Sweat shop kite manufacturing

Postby kitexpert » Fri May 03, 2019 12:15 pm

Matteo V wrote:
Fri May 03, 2019 1:10 am


IF the additional money sent to the 2nd/3rd world country ever makes it to the worker on the line (pretty big if), it has some negative consequences itself. First, increasing wages increases rents and taxes - taking a huge portion of that additional money. Then the price of goods (groceries, transportation, etc...) goes up as there is more money to be passed around. Thus some more of that increase is taken up. And with an increase in wages and potential prosperity, more people move into an already crowded area. This increases the use of utilities, sewers, and pollution in countries with virtually no environmental regulations.
:o :roll: So you are basically saying developing countries would suffer if they had more income? To develop and prosper is whole package: you can't build safe and functional society if people are so poor their energy goes for surviving, filling basic needs.

By your logic we should cut our economy: our wages, rents and taxes etc. should be decreased so that negative effects of prosperity wouldn't plaque us any more?

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Re: Sweat shop kite manufacturing

Postby SolarSet » Fri May 03, 2019 12:29 pm

kitexpert wrote:
Fri May 03, 2019 11:59 am

Why those people (which are very skilled and hard working people, better workers than what is available in the west) should be payed only a fraction of what is payed to us?
Simply because if they were paid similar or even half of what we are paid in Europe or other developed countries, nobody would manufacture goods there and rather then being paid not much they would be not paid at all as they would have not jobs.
Working for few international corporation I learnt that before it's worth for a company to move their business elsewhere cost of labor has to be 25% of what they are currently costing, otherwise it's not worth it.

Company who place they production because they want cheaper labor have to offset cost from the fact that infrastructure is very poor and you need initial investment.

https://www.intelligencesquared.com/eve ... ical-life/

By allowing these people to have any job we allow them to live better life and in long term allow these countries to develop.

It's always funny to hear all these people bashing how capitalism work but when you ask them what exactly you are doing except sharing post on fb? I'm giving 5% of my annual savings to charities from https://www.givewell.org/


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