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17m lightwind Kite + normal TT or 12m Kite + Door?

Postby WaD4n » Tue May 07, 2019 1:03 pm

Hey

I´m currently planning my lightwind Kite-strategy! I weigh 95kg and I´m still at beginning of my kite carrier, though all the basics (staying upwind, small jumps etc..) are work quiet well.

What do you guys prefer or what would you advise me to do?:

15-17m Kite + normal sized TT (in my case a 138x42 TT)

or a 12m Kite + Lightwind-Board/Door (150cm+)

In the long run I defenitly want to try out foiling but this won´t be happen before 1-2 years I guess. My aim is it to get going in 12 knots.



I hope you guys can help me out with your experiences!

Cheers
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Re: 17m lightwind Kite + normal TT or 12m Kite + Door?

Postby SolarSet » Tue May 07, 2019 1:18 pm

Not a chance in either setup to get going in 10-12kts, you will struggle to get going on 17m + door with your weight in this kind of wind unless you planning to buy 17m foil kite.
You need minimum of 12kts with 95kg to ride large 17m kite and door board, it will not be much fun after a while as you will be trying just to stay upwind.
If you are beginner it's even more difficult to ride in such a low wind, fast forward your hydrofoiling plans and you will be much happier
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Re: 17m lightwind Kite + normal TT or 12m Kite + Door?

Postby grigorib » Tue May 07, 2019 1:25 pm

In my experience a door (started with Spleene Door 159x45 then moved to Flydoor5 XL 170x50cm) helped greatly and I also added 7-14m of extension lines to have long initial stroke and get me on plane.
I'm 200lbs and I could ride in sub-10knots on 15m Turbine and I loved that setup until I started foiling. I wouldn't go back to foil kites I had before, even for lightwind.

You will certainly ride in 12 knots on 12m and a door, but add lines extensions too.
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Re: 17m lightwind Kite + normal TT or 12m Kite + Door?

Postby Beardytello » Tue May 07, 2019 1:35 pm

Door for sure.

I'm a few more pies than you and my lightwind setup is a Spleene Monster Door and a 17m Ozone Edge.

I get going in 10kts with them easy.

I've also managed the door and a 14m but it was hard work in sub 12kts.

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Re: 17m lightwind Kite + normal TT or 12m Kite + Door?

Postby WaD4n » Tue May 07, 2019 1:38 pm

Nice, I´ve never thought about adding line extensions to my 12m kite! Definitely going to look into it.

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Re: 17m lightwind Kite + normal TT or 12m Kite + Door?

Postby Greenturtle » Tue May 07, 2019 2:11 pm

At 95kg get a powerful 17 or 19 m such as Turbine.
And the door board.
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Re: 17m lightwind Kite + normal TT or 12m Kite + Door?

Postby deniska » Tue May 07, 2019 2:35 pm

yep, if you have a 12 don't bother with 15 (too little of a size gap to make a difference) go for 17.
Get an LEI not a foil.. Look up Zephyr - great kite.
If you still can't go - then get a bigger board.
Going with a big kite will help your progression much more than small kite/door combo.
I learned most of my tricks on 17 in low winds..
In 12 kts you should be able to do rolls, slides, grabs, some unhooking and loops - all in relatively safe setup..
Most of this stuff with a small kite and a door in same wind will be tricky.. 12 will not get you much pull or hangtime..

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Re: 17m lightwind Kite + normal TT or 12m Kite + Door?

Postby corykg » Tue May 07, 2019 3:49 pm

I'm just a bit lighter than you but ride in those winds successfully with a 17m Ocean Rodeo Flite and a 140x40 twin tip. The line extensions that come with the 17m Flite help immensely in low wind. These conditions are some of my favourite riding as the kite moves around the window in a predictable manner and the lift is elevator like, very comfortable. It's the best situation to try new stuff out as the consequences "feel" so minimal.

I have a 8m, 12m and 17m kites and the only kite I feel I would add right now would be a 5 or 6 for the super windy days.

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Re: 17m lightwind Kite + normal TT or 12m Kite + Door?

Postby warbs » Tue May 07, 2019 6:06 pm

Can’t recommend a door highly enough...

I still have my 2008 spleene door 159 and it still gets used regularly.

I’ve found with my 13m edge and door, I can pretty much stay upwind and have equivalent power to people on TT’s and zephyr (I have one of them too, it’s pretty similar to the 13m edge in light wind)...I also weigh 95KG but was more when I got the door.

When my daughter was learning, she used the door and an 8m kite, which I could comfortably ride back upwind when others were on 12’s.
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Re: 17m lightwind Kite + normal TT or 12m Kite + Door?

Postby grigorib » Tue May 07, 2019 7:03 pm

WaD4n wrote:
Tue May 07, 2019 1:38 pm
Nice, I´ve never thought about adding line extensions to my 12m kite! Definitely going to look into it.
in the old day Peter Lynn ARC FAQ stated that 3m of line extensions have similar effect as 1 sq.m extra kite area.
Obviously within reasonable limits but you'd know it when that one single kite dive gets you on plane and longer lines have better chance capturing wind gradient as well as being a tad over occasional wind shadow from houses/trees.
Whenever I needed to ride 15m Turbine I rode it with 37m long lines and it worked magic and allowed me to ride a smaller, more agile wing compared to larger kites around me.

Long lines screw up timing for jumps and tricks but in lightwind there's not much tricks we're talking about.


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