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Re: Naish Pivot 2020

Postby runner1 » Thu May 23, 2019 3:17 pm

Bill C wrote:
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How annoying is the octopus aside from repairs ? It seems like an extra step to open and close valves on the struts. Worth waiting ?

I've owned several Naish kites with the octopus system. I've repaired a strut leak and also replaced a valve. Is it more difficult than traditional connection hoses from the leading edge bladder...yea probably, but I watched a video on how to repair and its held for years. Wouldn't stop me from buying a 2019 or prior kite (assuming you got a good deal).
I have a preference for the octopus system (I have both types). Possibly slightly more difficult to repair (on the modern octopus, the older ones were a different story) but a marginal difference that only happens rarely. The positives outweigh the negatives, it is only the odd keyboard warrior who thinks otherwise. If you can get a good deal on an older model I certainly wouldn't be waiting because of the octopus system

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Re: Naish Pivot 2020

Postby rleshem » Thu May 23, 2019 3:20 pm

Ok thanks. I am not as concerned with repairs but more of the day to day functionality of having to deal with 3 more valves every time you pump or deflate.

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Re: Naish Pivot 2020

Postby runner1 » Thu May 23, 2019 3:36 pm

From a day to day point of view, while the time taken to put a valve in (versus crimping a normal one pump) is not much different, the octopus system deflates much more quickly. Overall I find my Naishs faster to pack than my Ozones.
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Re: Naish Pivot 2020

Postby Dirk » Thu May 23, 2019 4:31 pm

rleshem wrote:
Thu May 23, 2019 3:20 pm
Ok thanks. I am not as concerned with repairs but more of the day to day functionality of having to deal with 3 more valves every time you pump or deflate.
It takes probably around 20 seconds to close those valves on three struts...As mentioned before you gain back this incredible loss of valuable riding time when you deflate the kite. And you can optimize it by riding a Boxer (one-strut, which for itself is a great free ride kite, as I discovered this year). :D just kidding...

I took out a leading edge for repair and put it back in on one of my Pivots once. It was the first time I ever did it and it took me about an hour, working very slowly and making a mistake (too many wraps of teflon tape around the male part of the strut valve) in between. I guess a conventional one-pump system would have been 20-30 min faster.
For me that would never be an argument not to ride a Naish kite with the Octopus system.

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Re: Naish Pivot 2020

Postby rleshem » Thu May 23, 2019 5:37 pm

Ok thanks !

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Re: Naish Pivot 2020

Postby tautologies » Thu May 23, 2019 5:55 pm

Dirk wrote:
Thu May 23, 2019 11:13 am
Pivots. In 7 and 5 I will stay with the Slash and keep my current models as they have not been used that much.
In 14 I have the current Boxer, which I also really like.
ANd you think you'll have it in July? That would change my plans around. I just put an 11 Boxer and 9 slash on order. I thought they were still months out..and I'll traveling a lot the coming months. Oh well, I love how versatile the slash is. I am thinking then I should get one of the new 10 pivots. Maybe an 8 too haha.

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Re: Naish Pivot 2020

Postby Dirk » Thu May 23, 2019 6:57 pm

That´s for Germany/Europe: Mid July is what I got as feedback and that is similar to last year when it was at the beginning of August. I think Naish started last year to bring in the new season already in the European summer rather than in early Autumn like in the past.

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Re: Naish Pivot 2020

Postby Gonzolinho » Thu May 23, 2019 11:51 pm

Dirk wrote:
Thu May 23, 2019 4:31 pm
It takes probably around 20 seconds to close those valves on three struts...As mentioned before you gain back this incredible loss of valuable riding time when you deflate the kite. And you can optimize it by riding a Boxer (one-strut, which for itself is a great free ride kite, as I discovered this year). :D just kidding...
Well, fanboys are used to tell only half the truth......
When it's really blowing your time closing the valves will be longer for sure but its not the time. Nobody cares about a few seconds...
The kite is shaking and twisting around like crazy during the time closing them. Sometimes the bridles tangle around the wingtip. And then you will have to untangle again. In about 20 Knots or more a pain in the ass.... and not happening with the standard hose systems. So that is the main issue, not a few seconds. The packing is an advantage with Octo for sure. But again...who cares about a minute more for packing? I hope you don't - because you will have to get used to it :D

The new valve is the SUP valve. Yes, you will need an adaptor but you also need one with the existing valve. Now the hose also does not fit directly onto it. So if you loose the actual adaptor you will have a hard time inflating your kite, too. So no arguement in my opinion. Take a ribbon and you will never loose it :thumb:

I only know from Europe that many sizes are already sold out at the big importers. So there will not be too much stuff left for a bargain closeout. Don't know about the US. But as the dealers knew it already it's pretty obvious that they only ordered reasonable amounts for them.

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Re: Naish Pivot 2020

Postby POACHER » Fri May 24, 2019 2:00 am

Gonzolinho wrote:
Thu May 23, 2019 11:51 pm
Well, fanboys are used to tell only half the truth......
When it's really blowing your time closing the valves will be longer for sure but its not the time. Nobody cares about a few seconds...
The kite is shaking and twisting around like crazy during the time closing them. Sometimes the bridles tangle around the wingtip. And then you will have to untangle again. In about 20 Knots or more a pain in the ass.... and not happening with the standard hose systems. So that is the main issue, not a few seconds.
:roll:

Now I've heard everything.
You really are a clueless kook....

Sorry your family was murdered by the Naish Octopus system or whatever the explanation for you incessant moronic comments, but you're really reaching now.

Hardly a fan boy, I pay for my own gear and have owned 7-8 brands of kites. If I find something better, I don't care what name is printed on it.
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Re: Naish Pivot 2020

Postby matth » Fri May 24, 2019 2:08 am

I have 2019 pivots and have no problem with the octopus. I would say it's about the same time to close the three strut valves as it is to close off hose clamps on regular system. And deflating is faster and it dumps the air much better....Thanks god because the Naish bags are insanly small.
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