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Re: Wingsurfing - Intel - forum topic?

Postby scottnorby » Sun May 26, 2019 12:52 am

Reports on the SPG twin struts are super good.
Those guys are in Bali right now going crazy trying waves, downwind etc.
Feels like a new window of wind for a lot of people.
Today Im off and will go kite... no replacing that rush......but maybe good having a wing in the truck for days you get off early from work?
Quick sessions in areas normally not accessible.

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Re: Wingsurfing - Intel - forum topic?

Postby Matteo V » Sun May 26, 2019 4:41 am

So this is just a repost from "The Duotone Wing" thread in the hydrofoil section.

OzBungy wrote:
Sat May 25, 2019 8:11 am
Lighter, more compact and greater wind range than a sailboard sail. Easier "relaunch" and quicker setup than a kite. Less room on the beach and in the water than a kite. Easier self-rescue when coupled with a bigger board. Better depower, float and drift than a kite when on a wave.
Correct!

But how about the bad stuff. Remember when we switched from windsurfing to kiting. Suddenly we did not have that sail obscuring the half the view. Now we are going back to that? No way!

Then, remember when we realized the "pumping a windsurfing sail compared to sining the kite" thing? Maybe some kiters on sub 12m linesets might not notice, but having a wind window is the reason that kiting rules in windsports - and that is before you even consider jumping. This wingythingy (I'm coining that term, even though I owned and used a kitewing for some time) is a step down overall, regardless of it's possible advantages.

Does it have a niche in the outdoor users market? - For sure!
Will it attract kiters, get them to ditch their kiting gear in favor this superior new sport? NO WAY!

What this new "wingythingy" thing is, is a verification of the wall that kite development is up against. R&D is essentially useless in our sport anymore. Sure there are some attempts being made at innovation, but there is no path clear path that advancements in kiting, are on. So we get the watersports MFG's looking to make a buck on something that might be a few year fad to capitalize on.

Another addition I would like to make to this post is to point out how patents have played a huge role in multiple MFG's coming out with the same design almost all at once - or at least us hearing about it. Duotone, Slingshot, and a host of others seem to just be cranking out products all of the same design. Thus it is easy to assume that there are no enforceable patents on this general design. And so we get many iterations of a new toy, with plenty of competition among manufactures to quickly develop this product to it's full potential.

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Re: Wingsurfing - Intel - forum topic?

Postby Slappysan » Mon May 27, 2019 5:28 am

Sink starting a 60L board is pretty pointless, who would even own a 60L board? Might as well be on an 85L board you could actually stand on if you aren't going to be on something you could prone foil at 50L or less.

I do agree that the SPG twin strut wing looks the best behaved out of the lot yet, I think that double strut adds stability so that it flies on one side or the other as opposed to oscillating back and forth while the wing tip bonks you in the head or catches the water.

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Re: Wingsurfing - Intel - forum topic?

Postby scottnorby » Mon May 27, 2019 7:58 pm

Right on Slappy-----I agree.
More control will be the goal of all the wings in the future
The twin strut definitely makes sense.
Also when you are WAY out in the ocean or lake and you fall on the strut and pop it---you still have the other second strut to get in.
Which could be a huge deal in a 5 mile downwinder, or in the middle of a river, or when you find yourself 2 miles offshore on a lake.

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Re: Wingsurfing - Intel - forum topic?

Postby juandesooka » Tue May 28, 2019 6:44 am

Interesting review. Seems pretty balanced and informed.

https://www.iksurfmag.com/features/i-ro ... ing-thing/

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Re: Wingsurfing - Intel - forum topic?

Postby elguapo » Tue May 28, 2019 12:43 pm

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Re: Wingsurfing - Intel - forum topic?

Postby Matteo V » Tue May 28, 2019 2:53 pm

Kristan wrote:
Fri May 24, 2019 11:06 am
while those wings look like meant for wider wind ranges.
Prepare to be disappointed. What gives you the idea that these "look like" they have a wider wind range over a windsurfing sail?

Two main factors allow a kite to have a wider range than a windsurfing sail - First, the wind-window allows the kite to make apparent wind (over the sail), or not by sining or being static. Second, the line length of a kite (still the wind-window) allows access to winds close to the water, or higher above. The "wingythingy" is actually shorter than windsurfing sails in the height that they operate in the wind.



Kristan wrote:
Fri May 24, 2019 11:06 am
So it would be cool to go ride somewhere on the lakes that don't have spots to launch a kite.
Just like having only one kite does not give you access to a range of windspeeds, neither does having one windsurfing sail. In order for this thing to work (get to planing speeds), you are either going to need lots of wind (20+knots) or have a "large area" hydrofoil attached to a SUP board.

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Re: Wingsurfing - Intel - forum topic?

Postby Kristan » Tue May 28, 2019 3:28 pm

Matteo V wrote:
Tue May 28, 2019 2:53 pm
Kristan wrote:
Fri May 24, 2019 11:06 am
while those wings look like meant for wider wind ranges.
Prepare to be disappointed. What gives you the idea that these "look like" they have a wider wind range over a windsurfing sail?

Two main factors allow a kite to have a wider range than a windsurfing sail - First, the wind-window allows the kite to make apparent wind (over the sail), or not by sining or being static. Second, the line length of a kite (still the wind-window) allows access to winds close to the water, or higher above. The "wingythingy" is actually shorter than windsurfing sails in the height that they operate in the wind.



Kristan wrote:
Fri May 24, 2019 11:06 am
So it would be cool to go ride somewhere on the lakes that don't have spots to launch a kite.
Just like having only one kite does not give you access to a range of windspeeds, neither does having one windsurfing sail. In order for this thing to work (get to planing speeds), you are either going to need lots of wind (20+knots) or have a "large area" hydrofoil attached to a SUP board.
I'm not talking about ANY windsurf sail, but a specific one - Arrows iRig. In it's manual it's is written that you should not use it in winds higher than 8 knots. By which it has minuscule wind range. This "wingythingy" is shown to be used in winds when it's allowed for kitesurfers to go on twintips, which is way higher than 8 knots.

And I don't understand why it requires 20+ knots and hydrofoil. If it has 4 square meters, just like the biggest iRig wing, it means it would allow to go in light wind on a SUP. It would be slow and steady, but at least something. With higher winds there is always an option to switch back to kite.

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Re: Wingsurfing - Intel - forum topic?

Postby elguapo » Tue May 28, 2019 3:52 pm

So...
These things basically go downwind only?
:duh:

I guess they could market the great workout you’ll get from carrying a giant Paddleboard with a giant SUP foil attached to it(And that stringless kite thing that already burned out your arms from trying to hold it up) back to where you started...


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Re: Wingsurfing - Intel - forum topic?

Postby Matteo V » Tue May 28, 2019 4:01 pm

Kristan wrote:
Tue May 28, 2019 3:28 pm
And I don't understand why it requires 20+ knots and hydrofoil.
20knots to plane a non-hydrofoil

but in less than 20knots, you would need a hydrofoil to reach a planing speed (though you would not be planing, but rather hydrofoiling)


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