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Re: What I am doing wrong there?

Postby purdyd » Wed Jun 05, 2019 5:12 am

Ludmil wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:58 pm


If he is far up wind, the person holding the kite appears to be far downwind which makes the task to raise the kite with one hand uneasy... Positioning and angle vs the wind is not actually the assistant's obligation.
I agree it is your responsibility to position yourself. I have had help from the launcher on occasion to judge direction, they can often feel the kite better.

But, if the holder of the kite holds it in the middle you can walk backward and tension the front lines and regardless of how much wind there is you can turn the kite over. Personally i have never had an issue with resting a kite on a wingtip with wind or no wind. Kites aren't that heavy.

If the holder keeps holding with two hands and one away from the middle, you might not be able to tension both front lines.

I've had this happen.

I've also picked up kites with no room to move back and had to tell the kiter to move back away from me. We have some fairly tight launch areas.

I used to think that launching was fairly common sense and standard but my horizons have expanded lately and I've experienced some things recently that make me question that.

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Re: What I am doing wrong there?

Postby Ludmil » Wed Jun 05, 2019 5:48 am

Amazing, that's exactly what I am experiencing right now. :)

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Re: What I am doing wrong there?

Postby Herman » Wed Jun 05, 2019 8:36 am

Hi girzul. You have received some good advice above, but to me it is impossible to be sure how well your kite is trimmed from the picture as the rider is not supporting the pull of the kite. The rider is probably too far up wind, if the assistant tried to pick/wrestle the kite up they will be pushed maybe off their feet. Next time at the beach learn how to find the correct launch angle.
You can do this with a competent assistant. Get the assistant to just hold the depowered, trim strap in bar out, kite on its wingtip with a firm grip and warn him that you are not launching the kite and that he will be pushed a little. Now making sure you are down wind of the kite tension the front lines, the kite will be held on its tip flapping with no power. Gradually walk upwind keeping the lines tensioned and you will see that you reach a point where the kite fills and stops flapping. You can now ask your assistant to lift the tip off the ground. A tad farther upwind is the ideal launching angle. If you wish to continue the experiment continue to walk upwind keeping frontline tension and see how you start to push your assistant.
Once you start to push your assistant gently sheet in and see how it pushes more. Stop the push by moving back downwind. The Eureka moment is when you can identify the angle where the kite stops flapping and starts to want to fly.

At your stage imho you are probably at your greatest risk as a kitesurfer and so my most important piece of advice would be to make friends with a good rider who can talk to you on the beach. Somebody who is experienced at tether launching may be particularly useful.

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Re: What I am doing wrong there?

Postby james » Wed Jun 05, 2019 11:38 am

girzul wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2019 5:53 pm
Hi,

I am new to kiting, had multiple lessons with Core/F-One, and I am able to water start. I did everything myself from pumping to attaching lines etc on these kites.
Now I got demo kites (North Evo 12 and Mono 15) with a thrust bar.
I did checked the lines and all of them are same length when connected to single point.
But it looks like something is wrong with setup. Can someone please advice me what i am doing wrong there? (see photo)
You have full depower pulled in on the clear which will make the rear lines slacker than might be ideal at launch

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Re: What I am doing wrong there?

Postby Herman » Wed Jun 05, 2019 11:54 am

Purdyd and Ludmilla have good points. Where I ride I usually tether launch. But I am often slightly annoyed by visitors who even though they can ride well do not know how to launch properly with an assistant. They wonder off too far upwind, partially tension the lines so the assistant is being pushed then fiddle with their donkey dick and play with the bar. Meaning that I have to move upwind etc. Imho the assistant should not have to move unless their has been an agreement to relocate the kite and the rider should support all the pull of the kite. If done well the assistant should easily be able to hold the kite with one hand.
A good launch would be, the rider briefs the assistant then walks out downwind of the launch angle to tension the front lines once the assistant has put the kite on its wingtip. The rider should then walk upwind keeping front line tension until the kite stops flapping then a tad more upwind for a positive launch position. The assistant should look for tangles etc and signal ok or walk upwind and put the kite down if there is a rigging proplem. Once the rider is ready he gives the thumbs up and the assistant releases the kite.
Some assistants may lift the wing tip off the ground to reduce scuffing others may just leave it on the ground, the rider should be able to cope with either.
Depending on conditions, generally as a rider I do not walk much beyond the point where the kite just stops flapping and I am happy to have the kite left with a wingtip on the ground, but I am ready to move quickly upwind should there be a heading wind shift. In powered conditions a normally rigged kite can be launched with trim strap all the way in. This is true for light conditions also but as a beginner you may find control easier with the strap around halfway as this reduces slack in the back lines. Once launched it is usually better to keep the kite low, flying it up to the zenith and jumping on the beach can be a little dubious, depending on the environment.

Going back to girzul, I suggest when you have found an experienced friend get them to show you how to trim a kite just out of and just into backstall and explain the danger of backstalling into the power zone. Newbies at your stage are particularly vulnerable to this. Good luck and stay safe!

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Re: What I am doing wrong there?

Postby sarc » Wed Jun 05, 2019 3:20 pm

Please watch this and keep googling, watching youtube and ask questions to experienced riders at your beach!!

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Re: What I am doing wrong there?

Postby sarc » Wed Jun 05, 2019 3:23 pm

Oh and this one too. Great safety tips for launching!


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Re: What I am doing wrong there?

Postby Herman » Wed Jun 05, 2019 5:10 pm

The above films illustrate some good points. However I suspect that the first film also illustrates one of the proplems some newbies may encounter. In this film the assistant is basically launching the kite for the rider and I suspect this will happen for some newbies as an instructor acting as the assistant helps the new rider get on with the session. But once you are riding out in the big wide world the newbie must realise that it may be unwise to expect their assistant to be responsible for putting the kite in the optimum place for launching. Imho it should be the riders responsibility to set the correct angle for a launch, after all it is the rider that will enjoy or suffer the consequences. Of course there are no hard and fast rules particularly if you are amongst friends and are still learning.
Imho not hooking in until you need to is generally a good idea, but I do not think that you should let this philosophy impinge on your ability to control the kite.

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Re: What I am doing wrong there?

Postby apollo4000 » Wed Jun 05, 2019 7:52 pm

Maybe ask another kiter next time you’re at the beach..

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Re: What I am doing wrong there?

Postby Hugh2 » Thu Jun 06, 2019 6:21 pm

Two thoughts.

First, I think James is right and you have the kite fully depowered, which leads to the steering or back lines being slack. This is a dangerous way to launch as you then have little or no steering. If the wind is so strong you are worried about the launch, perhaps go to middle depower, but as a newbie you should probably not be riding in such conditions.

Second, the proper technique of the rider starting out somewhat downwind and walking upwind till the kite stops flapping and starts wanting to fly is facilitated if the lines are set up downwind in the first place. Most instances when I get pushed by the kite when assisting a launch are because the rider set the lines upwind and is hurrying to launch and does not get far enough downwind before tightening the lines.


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