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Re: Running Splice Cleat

Postby Macster » Fri Jun 14, 2019 8:40 am

I'm struggling with the idea of riding without a safety flagging line. If shit happens do you just let the kite go?

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Re: Running Splice Cleat

Postby nixmatters » Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:13 am

Macster wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2019 8:40 am
I'm struggling with the idea of riding without a safety flagging line. If shit happens do you just let the kite go?
While you release, you could still flag the kite on one rear line, possibly using a running 'oh shit' handle or something similar ;)
But it's definitely not a 100% reliable solution

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Re: Running Splice Cleat

Postby Regis-de-giens » Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:47 am

IMO this system doe not prevent to add a flag line IMO like a sliding front line attached to a safety line runining through the bar like standard systems ...
At leat it is what I have on some bars.

I had tested similar sliding trim on rear lines with absolutely no slack ropes, I can try to recover some films for curiosity, but it was a bit "ugly" so in the send used a tent cleat on each rear line ( with two advantages: in case of slip, it depowers the kite + thanks to reduced tension on rear line it was very comfortable to set it in a ride ( just need to do it once per side)

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Re: Running Splice Cleat

Postby tomtom » Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:08 am

As pictured there is O shit handle on front line - where i can attach also normal leash - and i will if condition required it. Riding leashless on 3-5 m2 single skin kite is OK :) but this is OT
Beware - backline safety dont work anymore on many new kites /SLE/ - too much rest pull

But as Regis says this system has NOTHING to do with safety - ist just trim /like depower strap/ - rig whatever safety you want.

This trim on water work as comfortable as any of best trimstraps - and maybe tad less comfortable than best cleats. It is lightest and cleanest trim i know - and its super reliable.

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Re: Running Splice Cleat

Postby faklord » Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:17 pm

Thanks for sharing tomtom.
Interesting concept.
Have you experimented to find the optimum length of the ‘splice’, in terms of line diameter?
Too long -> too much friction to operate
Too short -> likely to slip

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Re: Running Splice Cleat

Postby rynhardt » Fri Jun 14, 2019 1:10 pm

Macster wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2019 8:40 am
I'm struggling with the idea of riding without a safety flagging line. If shit happens do you just let the kite go?
There are many different ways to manage an emergency situation, and different people have different appetites for risk.
I ride without a kite leash permanently attached, but the leash is hooked into my harness.
If I need to flag the kite I'll hook the leash into one of the front line rings at the Y swivel.
If I ever get into a situation where I'm unable to flag the kite but I need to release, then yes, it's bye bye kite.
I've needed to do this a few times when dropping the kite in the surf zone and the kite gets dragged to the beach - in that case I do not want to be attached to the kite at all.

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Re: Running Splice Cleat

Postby tomtom » Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:31 pm

faklord wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:17 pm
Thanks for sharing tomtom.
Interesting concept.
Have you experimented to find the optimum length of the ‘splice’, in terms of line diameter?
Too long -> too much friction to operate
Too short -> likely to slip
As pictured works just fine. Basicaly i eyeballed minimum :)


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