Thanks for answering for iriejohn. Did he pass out on you?
james wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 6:55 pm
A point you make about foils being constrained by draft,
Your pecking order only works if every person on the water is aware of every foilers mast length and competence, which they won’t be..
And they say I "nitpick" things! I pretty much assume every foil mast is around 90cm with a Kitefoilboard. If shorter, then I still consider it 90cm. If longer, well....I still am going to leave a decent margin of error/tide miscalculation factor of safety in there.
The short answer is that I really do not need to know anything other than:
Twintip gets 8cm of depth consideration
Surfboard gets 20cm of depth consideration
Windsurfer gets 35cm of depth consideration (more in light wind or slalom board)
Hydrofoil (windsurffoil, surf-foil, kite-hydrofoiler) gets 100cm of consideration
james wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 6:55 pm
Surely also you need to consider turn rate of everyone’s kite? Different sizes and models will turn at differing rates changing the manoeuvrability thus needing additional ranking to work out the correct pecking order.
But remember some 12turn like a 9 and a slacked out 10 turn like a 13.5
Could you produce a brand and model comparison sheet for us so that we don’t end up incorrectly calling for right of way and ending up in an accident.
No, that does not matter. I am aware you are being sarcastic here, but for the ESL forum users here, I will still explain why this is wrong. Kite turning is more a factor of the kiter's inputs. Proof of this is that I fly some really slow turning kites. But when other kiters watch me, they think they turn really fast. Then when I let them fly my kites, they understand that it is technique and timing that turns the kite. Some kites do turn really fast, but slow kites do have tricks to make them turn much faster. Having your trim set to access backstall on the bar throw will allow you to stall out a wing tip and get the kite to turn faster. Also, just keeping the kite in the back of the window will allow more turning speed, as opposed to trying to turn the kite off the edge of the window. As a riders change in direction can change the apparent wind window, a sudden turn upwind just a half second after turning inputs are sent to the kite can make the kite turn much faster.
So no, I do not consider type of kite to be a consideration as it is reasonable that 2 riders with the same skill and kite, would have different turning styles/speeds. But I would notice that as I am riding or setting up my kit.
However, If I (at 100kg) pumped up an 8m kite because the wind speed required that size, I would definitely yield to a 80kg kiter coming in "tea-bagging" with a 17m. Thus in an overpowered situation, I would yield to a person who is "out of control" overpowered.
james wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 6:55 pm
Remember to factor in depth of water, speed, wind strength twin tip, surf board race/slalom board wake board foil board use as well as a separate strapless category, oh and water state ability level and if the rider is wearing polarised sunglasses
I fully realize that some kiters do not have the capacity for evaluating more than 1 or 2 things. But I can. And I will. If you can't, I wish you the best. But understand that there are certain jobs and sports that you may not be able to preform.