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Re: Aluula ? New Revolutionary Material from Ocean Rodeo

Postby foilholio » Sun Jan 12, 2020 12:11 am

iriejohn wrote:
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Sat Jan 11, 2020 12:17 am
Thread count looks a little low.
Looks "a little low" compared to what?
The canopy fabric, and other kite fabrics.
nixmatters wrote: in all other loaded seams the sheer strength of the double adhesive tape bonding does the job, right? The seams are there mainly to prevent peeling of the adhesive. And that PSA should bond even better to the Aluula surface.
Relying on adhesive could be interesting in a few years.
droffats wrote: Somehow Aluula doesn't rely on thread count for strength.
Did it ever? Higher thread count just is a nicer looking and more stable fabric. I am not sure why in this and previous dyneema fabrics they have chosen lamination over more weaving.

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Re: Aluula ? New Revolutionary Material from Ocean Rodeo

Postby nixmatters » Sun Jan 12, 2020 1:15 am

foilholio wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 12:11 am
iriejohn wrote:
foilholio wrote:
Sat Jan 11, 2020 12:17 am
Thread count looks a little low.
Looks "a little low" compared to what?
The canopy fabric, and other kite fabrics.
nixmatters wrote: in all other loaded seams the sheer strength of the double adhesive tape bonding does the job, right? The seams are there mainly to prevent peeling of the adhesive. And that PSA should bond even better to the Aluula surface.
Relying on adhesive could be interesting in a few years.
droffats wrote: Somehow Aluula doesn't rely on thread count for strength.
Did it ever? Higher thread count just is a nicer looking and more stable fabric. I am not sure why in this and previous dyneema fabrics they have chosen lamination over more weaving.
Sorry, thought you're refering to the sewing thread count.

The canopy ripstop looks like any other D2, I can't see any lower thread count there.

I beleive the Aluula lamination is there to 'lock' the looose weave. A tighter weave with such slippery yarn won't make the fabric stable enough. For strengh they don't need a higher count, the tests they've shown are more than clear on this. Bias stability (low stretch) comes only when the fabric is tensioned (inflated LE), this is my understanding so far. Curious to see that thing with the thin bladder increasing the stiffness.
Wait to see the new Duotone lightweight dacron. Not as light as the Aluula, but 'lower thread count' than conventional dacron.

As for the adhesive tape - LEI canopy seams have always been relying on it. Without it a canopy will tear apart at the first loop or harder landidng, especially when new and crispy.

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Re: Aluula ? New Revolutionary Material from Ocean Rodeo

Postby foilholio » Sun Jan 12, 2020 2:42 am

Yes the lamination would be to lock the weave. In previous versions there was no weave. Weaving technically should make things weaker, but is necessary to have normal fabrics. The thread count looks low to me when it is easy to see the threads. It would not make a good canopy material like that. With a gain in weight to fill so large holes with coating or what every laminate.
nixmatters wrote: Wait to see the new Duotone lightweight dacron. Not as light as the Aluula, but 'lower thread count' than conventional dacron.
OK. But again I am concerned with the lower thread count. In foil kites it leads to more porosity. This would affect the canopy on LEIs, but I wonder about the bladder as well. The fabric is less smooth and the gaps may increase stress. Overall I am really wondering about longevity, glue in general is known to be less reliable or unpredictable.
nixmatters wrote: As for the adhesive tape - LEI canopy seams have always been relying on it. Without it a canopy will tear apart at the first loop or harder landidng, especially when new and crispy.
Well foil kites do not use it. I am aware of it being used say in repairs to help with alignment. I don't see it contributing much strength, other glues could but they all would seem to eventually deteriorate too much. Stitching is the most reliable join.

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Re: Aluula ? New Revolutionary Material from Ocean Rodeo

Postby droffats » Mon Jan 20, 2020 1:44 am

Some more video. It doesn't show much as the wind and snow were bogus. But I had to try the kite.

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Re: Aluula ? New Revolutionary Material from Ocean Rodeo

Postby iriejohn » Mon Jan 20, 2020 11:48 am

That 10m just seems to float in the air even in the (10 mph?) lulls, amazing.

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Re: Aluula ? New Revolutionary Material from Ocean Rodeo

Postby ralu81 » Tue Jan 21, 2020 12:57 am

@ Adventurekiteboarding... Is that the actual pricing on your website for the kites? or just estimates? $2,400 for a 12m is pretty steep.

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Re: Aluula ? New Revolutionary Material from Ocean Rodeo

Postby droffats » Thu Jan 23, 2020 9:58 pm

That is the actual pricing. It's pretty much in line with foil kites, which may be the most direct competition for light wind and foiling. Surf, not so much.

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Re: Aluula ? New Revolutionary Material from Ocean Rodeo

Postby HALF » Thu Jan 23, 2020 10:35 pm

12m FS Soul is 1870€, the alula still feels way too expensive.
Some people will still pay whatever they ask for it, let's hope the prices get lower with time for the masses.

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Re: Aluula ? New Revolutionary Material from Ocean Rodeo

Postby iriejohn » Thu Jan 23, 2020 10:41 pm

Aluula Roam price seems to be exactly 50% higher than standard Roam.

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Re: Aluula ? New Revolutionary Material from Ocean Rodeo

Postby GregK » Thu Jan 23, 2020 11:56 pm

HALF wrote:
Thu Jan 23, 2020 10:35 pm
... the alula still feels way too expensive. ...
Had one out for test flight ? If not, maybe you'll change your mind after flying one.
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