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Re: Aluula ? New Revolutionary Material from Ocean Rodeo

Postby iriejohn » Sat Feb 01, 2020 1:42 am

As you know, my example was intentionally very conservative.

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Re: Aluula ? New Revolutionary Material from Ocean Rodeo

Postby a99 » Sat Feb 01, 2020 10:04 am

Huib wrote:
Fri Jan 31, 2020 10:19 am
He saying weight comparissions a little not right, now 10m usual foiling kites weights are much less than 3.4 kg.
Ozone alpha 10m 2.2kg, airrush ultra 10m 2.3 kg, so this OR Roam with 1.8 kg is not super magic in weight.

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Re: Aluula ? New Revolutionary Material from Ocean Rodeo

Postby leeuwen » Sat Feb 01, 2020 10:43 am

a99 wrote:
Sat Feb 01, 2020 10:04 am
He saying weight comparissions a little not right, now 10m usual foiling kites weights are much less than 3.4 kg.
Ozone alpha 10m 2.2kg, airrush ultra 10m 2.3 kg, so this OR Roam with 1.8 kg is not super magic in weight.
This is a 3 strut kite so I am not sure if you should compare it to those kites (if you want to know what aluula does with weight).
They could probably build a lighter kite with less struts but I guess they had no reason to do so.

I think the relevant question is will it bring something new to the market in regards to kite performance.
I am guessing it will. If the extra money is worth it will depend on the person.

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Re: Aluula ? New Revolutionary Material from Ocean Rodeo

Postby Saltyman » Sat Feb 01, 2020 11:17 am

Once it's over 15 knots the weight of the kite if it's 800 grams.
Should make no difference between the kites we are currently on.
I see the benefit of light wind riding if you're into that.
But when it's cranking won't make a difference.
Maybe if it increases durability it will be worthwhile but new kites are built better now anyway.

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Re: Aluula ? New Revolutionary Material from Ocean Rodeo

Postby iriejohn » Sat Feb 01, 2020 12:00 pm

If you're a 'wave rider' then you probably fall into one of two camps.

The first is riders who use the power of the kite to rip up the wave. In this case the increased reactivity will be an advantage as will the increased wind range.

The second is riders who use the kite to get on the wave then surf the wave while letting the kite 'float'. For such riders these kites will be a huge advantage. (I am one of these, although to be fair I'm now not very good).

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Re: Aluula ? New Revolutionary Material from Ocean Rodeo

Postby Ice101 » Sat Feb 01, 2020 12:25 pm

So how much extra cost is an aluula kite? Looks like the majority of the kite is stil standard Dacron and only the frame of aluula which is minimal so surely there shouldn’t be too much extra cost?

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Re: Aluula ? New Revolutionary Material from Ocean Rodeo

Postby nixmatters » Sat Feb 01, 2020 12:32 pm

Ice101 wrote:
Sat Feb 01, 2020 12:25 pm
So how much extra cost is an aluula kite? Looks like the majority of the kite is stil standard Dacron and only the frame of aluula which is minimal so surely there shouldn’t be too much extra cost?
There is NO dacron in that kite, it's been replaced with the Aluula material. Canopy ripstop is same.
For the Aluula prices sroll back to page 57 ;)

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Re: Aluula ? New Revolutionary Material from Ocean Rodeo

Postby Ice101 » Sat Feb 01, 2020 12:59 pm

Standard rip stop I meant sorry. Not Dacron.
Trouble is if you have an accident it’s usually the Rio stop that tears or gets the pin holes. So are they really any tougher than a standard kite for all that money. It’s only really light wind all this fancy stuff becomes relevant as soon as it’s over 15 in its most standard kites will fly very well and is every thing that one will.

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Re: Aluula ? New Revolutionary Material from Ocean Rodeo

Postby nixmatters » Sat Feb 01, 2020 4:37 pm

Ice101 wrote:
Sat Feb 01, 2020 12:59 pm
Standard rip stop I meant sorry. Not Dacron.
Trouble is if you have an accident it’s usually the Rio stop that tears or gets the pin holes. So are they really any tougher than a standard kite for all that money. It’s only really light wind all this fancy stuff becomes relevant as soon as it’s over 15 in its most standard kites will fly very well and is every thing that one will.
I'd say the opposite, as the stiffer Aluula frame is likely to put much more stress on the canopy when you tomahawk the kite.
See that old Cabrinha video showing well what happens to the frame at high speed impact. I'll add the link later.
SB tomahawk.JPG
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Re: Aluula ? New Revolutionary Material from Ocean Rodeo

Postby jumptheshark » Sat Feb 01, 2020 5:30 pm

Just because it takes about 15 knots for most standard kites to fly at their best doesn’t negate the potential performance improvements of Aluula in more wind! Quicker is quicker. The relative difference in inertia is the same regardless of wind. Kites flown in 30 knots can see relative wind speeds of 7-9 knots when you ride and carve downwind and downswell.

A lighter AND more rigid airframe? Yes please! I see nothing but potential with respect to improved ability to work any given size kite for power on the bottom end as well as dump it while staying comfy on the top end.

Big kites might finally be decent, but small kites could be downright amazing!
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