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Re: Aluula ? New Revolutionary Material from Ocean Rodeo

Postby GregK » Tue Feb 04, 2020 4:10 am

foilholio wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 3:26 am
What about opposite flying? opposite flying is when you fly the kite in a direction opposite to the wind. As in you fly the kite upwind of you.
Kind of like a Deadman's turn on land with a 3-wheel buggie ? Never seen it on water, maybe riding a foil ??

Wait a minute, have faint recollections of a foiler + big foil kite doing a Deadans' on a nearly calm lake, maybe in Italy, Lake Como ? ?? For real or was I dreaming ?
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Re: Aluula ? New Revolutionary Material from Ocean Rodeo

Postby Digdawg » Tue Feb 04, 2020 4:50 am

foilholio wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 3:26 am
A as in one 2008 kite does not suck compared to most kites and is infact better than most including current models. Even earlier kites could drift quite well. The Peak 4 is meant to be the current best drifter, have you tried it?

You should go learn to read. As to drift I have never seen it done in a video as I do. It would be quite easy if they(the pros) tried and the kites were capable.
I hope you'll post a video of how you do it, would love to see it!

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Re: Aluula ? New Revolutionary Material from Ocean Rodeo

Postby iriejohn » Tue Feb 04, 2020 11:38 am

Digdawg wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 4:50 am
foilholio wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 3:26 am
A as in one 2008 kite does not suck compared to most kites and is infact better than most including current models. Even earlier kites could drift quite well. The Peak 4 is meant to be the current best drifter, have you tried it?

You should go learn to read. As to drift I have never seen it done in a video as I do. It would be quite easy if they(the pros) tried and the kites were capable.
I hope you'll post a video of how you do it, would love to see it!
My advice is not to hold your breath while waiting.

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Re: Aluula ? New Revolutionary Material from Ocean Rodeo

Postby styleito » Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:03 pm

GregK wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 4:10 am
foilholio wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 3:26 am
What about opposite flying? opposite flying is when you fly the kite in a direction opposite to the wind. As in you fly the kite upwind of you.
Kind of like a Deadman's turn on land with a 3-wheel buggie ? Never seen it on water, maybe riding a foil ??

Wait a minute, have faint recollections of a foiler + big foil kite doing a Deadans' on a nearly calm lake, maybe in Italy, Lake Como ? ?? For real or was I dreaming ?
viewtopic.php?f=196&t=2392865&hilit=deadman+turn

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Re: Aluula ? New Revolutionary Material from Ocean Rodeo

Postby RogerTheFair » Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:32 pm

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This is how F-one tests Aluula :)

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Re: Aluula ? New Revolutionary Material from Ocean Rodeo

Postby boubou » Wed Feb 05, 2020 12:30 am





At 3m05. It is mentioned that they haven’t start working with Aluula on there one strut or NO strut kite .....yet..


Hmmmm. Are we going to see lighter kites then the current Roam with Aluula..

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Re: Aluula ? New Revolutionary Material from Ocean Rodeo

Postby iriejohn » Wed Feb 05, 2020 2:26 am

boubou wrote:
Wed Feb 05, 2020 12:30 am
At 3m05. It is mentioned that they haven’t start working with Aluula on there one strut or NO strut kite .....yet..
Hmmmm. Are we going to see lighter kites then the current Roam with Aluula..
Of course one strut Aluula kites will be lighter than 3 strut Aluula kites.

But it's a question of diminishing returns.

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Re: Aluula ? New Revolutionary Material from Ocean Rodeo

Postby boubou » Wed Feb 05, 2020 3:32 am

The point was ... will we see a one strut or No strut kites at OR with the Aluula

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Re: Aluula ? New Revolutionary Material from Ocean Rodeo

Postby foilholio » Wed Feb 05, 2020 3:12 pm

GregK wrote: Kind of like a Deadman's turn on land with a 3-wheel buggie ? Never seen it on water, maybe riding a foil ??
No you ride at the kite till it slack lines, you then ride even faster. The kite will lose line tension then regain it. You turn and fly the kite back to the edge of the now opposite window. You can sort of get it to turn as it transitions. If you flew it too hard back into the opposite window it could just stop you and then slack line drift into you. You have to transition it back from the opposite window when you lose speed. It transitions best at the edge of the windows.
Digdawg wrote: I hope you'll post a video of how you do it, would love to see it!
Slack lining a kite? You just ride at it till it does it. Many kites will just turn and head for the water when you do that, some won't. On foil kites I find it is usually best over head, tubes can do it fine at the side a bit. Aluula kites will likely be remarkable at this. You all will be talking about slack lining kites like this while surfing as a standard thing in 10 years or sooner.

There are no real examples in videos and I am not going to make one. A pro somewhere will eventually give it a go and work it out, it isn't that hard. I remember seeing long ago a clip of Ian Alldredge throwing a large bow into the lines then doing a cut back pulling the tension back in, over and over. That is the basics of it. The more capable the kite the more can be done. Foil kites particularly the light ones get a hot air balloon thing going. They barely fall out of the sky. When a 10g/m2 foil kite is made with dyneema fabric I think it will behave as a hotair balloon, always keeping tension in the lines no matter what.
iriejohn wrote:My advice is not to hold your breath while waiting.
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boubou wrote: Are we going to see lighter kites then the current Roam with Aluula..
iriejohn wrote:But it's a question of diminishing returns.
We certainly will. There is less weight to be lost but it is still less weight. Less pumping, more durable kite maybe from no struts. Maybe OR saw it obviously as the biggest market to go with this design first. They could likely carry their experience now with the material over to capture the market in other designs before others do. Smaller brands like BRM would be at a disadvantage to use this material.

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Re: Aluula ? New Revolutionary Material from Ocean Rodeo

Postby mr_daruman » Wed Feb 05, 2020 4:34 pm

Not how the rest of the world feels about this, but for us in Japan the most complaints I hear is of bladder tech, not kite weight or ripstop strenght.Who cares, some tape and your good to go.
But Bladders!! dont last a season before leaking air. And of course valve problems. Pin holes in bladders is a reacuring problem year after years. Shops dont mind that, cause of course $$$$. Tech hasnt changed in ....how many years?? And is the most revelant and annoying.
Test your materials in humid areas of the world! A couple of small sand grains from a coral beach is enough to scratch a bladder which then slowly leaks air. Fix that.
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