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Riding without a (proper) Quick Release

Postby evan » Sat Jul 06, 2019 11:30 am

17 years kiting. I needed twice to release a kite in emergency while learning. In both cases it did not work due to poor early kitesurfing designs.
I haven't use a flagout or a quick release in last 10 years.
I do not need it even in emergency.
This system is designed for riders who know how to control a kite in any situation.
From Marek's topic:
viewtopic.php?p=1061025#p1061025

Starting a new topic as this deserves a separate one in my eyes.
See it more often than I like that good riders that learned in the early days stick to unsafe release systems, ones that are hard to operate or just ride without. Simply because they never needed them and they feel they are at such level that they they never will in the future.

WHY WHY WHY?
Why are they so overconfidently ignorant? Because you never needed a quick release that opens within a second doesn't need you never will!

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Re: Riding without a (proper) Quick Release

Postby elguapo » Sat Jul 06, 2019 11:43 am

while i agree with you on importance of the QR (and safety systems in general)

i disagree strongly that this deserves a separate topic.
especially one that unnecessarily attacks another poster(that i at least...respect)

if this forum had a downvote function...

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Re: Riding without a (proper) Quick Release

Postby downunder » Sat Jul 06, 2019 12:40 pm

Sorry mate,

This is disrespectful to the original author simply because you do not know the context etc of his kiting.

And there is no need to explain the context or circumstances to anyone if one does not wants to, me thinks.

This question actually comes more often from the US based members, as a cultural thing I suppose. As this is international forum, the local US "by laws" do not apply. Particularly true for the EU, yanks will never, ever, understand and agree with our culture. Luckily, we don't ask for agreement ;)

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Re: Riding without a (proper) Quick Release

Postby FLandOBX » Sat Jul 06, 2019 1:29 pm

evan wrote:
Sat Jul 06, 2019 11:30 am
Because you never needed a quick release that opens within a second doesn't need you never will!
+1. Most of us have never had a major automobile accident that requires a seatbelt, but we wear a seatbelt any way.

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Re: Riding without a (proper) Quick Release

Postby FLandOBX » Sat Jul 06, 2019 1:31 pm

downunder wrote:
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This question actually comes more often from the US based members, as a cultural thing I suppose. As this is international forum, the local US "by laws" do not apply. Particularly true for the EU, yanks will never, ever, understand and agree with our culture. Luckily, we don't ask for agreement ;)
DU, I don't understand. What does nationality have to do with safety equipment choice?
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Re: Riding without a (proper) Quick Release

Postby downunder » Sat Jul 06, 2019 1:43 pm

Again, Americanism. What is +1 anyway? In half of EU we have a different schooling system than the other half, and 1 means bad, really bad. 5 means excellent. Why do I need to conform to the US standards?
Will any of you from the US make our life easier to understand what +1 is? Hardly.


To answer your question OBX, a "blanket rule" has nothing to do with a choice.

Nationality nothing. Culture everything. Its culture of riding the motor bikes with no helmet in Indonesia. They are (law enforcement by state) trying to change this culture tho.

So, why would I need to conform to something you think is working when you do not respect my choices? There is no blanket rule anyway...
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Re: Riding without a (proper) Quick Release

Postby edt » Sat Jul 06, 2019 1:46 pm

If you are gliding down a mountain in utah I agree you don't want a quick release going off accidentally can kill you. Also if megalooping might not want a quick release, accidental release seriously injured ruben a few months ago. So there are definitely situations where you might not want a quick release, probably there are others I haven't thought of.

And now we will continue with our regularly scheduled flame war.

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Re: Riding without a (proper) Quick Release

Postby evan » Sat Jul 06, 2019 2:08 pm

Given an accidental release is impossible, why would you still ride without?

Most current systems are badly designed and aimed at the unhooked side of the sport so I understand the search for a better solution.

I am searching myself also, but I always keep the safety part in mind. When launching a foilkite in high winds on small crowded beaches a quick release becomes a necessity with the inevitable bridle tangle. The same with riding on crowded spots, you want to be able to disconnect quickly when a noob mows you down from behind.

Safety should always come first!

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Re: Riding without a (proper) Quick Release

Postby downunder » Sat Jul 06, 2019 2:25 pm

You do ride in this conditions. Many dont.

Thats why we can. Again, your perception of safety is different. Why imposing the same on others than?

Again and again, the environment dictates your choices.

Simply put, and I told you that, ask Toby why he is riding 18m when others are on 10? Because he can.

Some will never agree on someone else's choices. And thats fine, thats human. Whats not human is being all the same. Thanks but no thanks.

And trust me, after injury, you'll see that there was no way to avoid it. It just happens, like it or not.

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Re: Riding without a (proper) Quick Release

Postby evan » Sat Jul 06, 2019 2:39 pm

I still have no valid answers to why you would ride without a quick release.

It is not about imposing stupid rules on you, just the absolute bare minimum safety aspect of our sport. We lost too many good riders already because of non existent or non functioning safety systems....


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