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Re: Camber fatality

Postby iriejohn » Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:40 pm

MattyM wrote:
Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:15 pm
edt wrote:
Sun Jul 21, 2019 2:41 pm
Do not put your hand on the QR when launching. I have seen people who do this. When the kite acts funny their first reaction is NOT to pull the QR but to move the hand FROM the QR TO the control bar (in order to control the kite better). Then and only then after they realize they can't control the kite with both hands the hand moves FROM the control bar back to the QR.
With respect edt, I strongly disagree with you. If your hand is on the QR during launch, you are much more likely to pull it straight away something feels wrong, especially if you have decided this is what you will do beforehand. Secondly, I believe that many launch accidents are caused by erratic kite behaviour due to oversheeting - and it is near impossible to oversheet with one hand on the bar, and especially if gently pulling a single leader line as is my preferred launch method now - kite just floats up very gently.
To the contrary, if one hand is on the bar and the kite behaves in an erratic manner, the initial reaction will most likely be to move the other hand to the bar to try to assert control.

A very common launch mistake is launching with far to much power. I see it all the time - the kite only has to fly, not be well powered up!
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Re: Camber fatality

Postby Toby » Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:44 pm

If anything erratic...release!

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Re: Camber fatality

Postby Frank82 » Sun Jul 21, 2019 10:37 pm

Accidents happen, some people are just kooks, some have bad luck. Even with the kites of today and working quick releases, accidents happen.

The people that need advice the most won't be here, they don't even know where and how to launch, let alone Google the internet for kite fora.
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Re: Camber fatality

Postby Bille » Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:05 am

longwhitecloud wrote:
Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:23 am
...

I did a dig for last year... found 18 fatalities.. and I didn't even look that hard cos it is pretty depressing, the positive side of it is knowing the truth and learning from it.

That is up there with paragliding....?!

...
There are a lot more people kite-boarding world-wide, than pilots
paragliding so statistically, your probably still safer kiting than you
are flying.

So-far this year in the USA , there has bin 2 fatalities that i know of
in paragliding ; it was a mid-air collision, and they both died. Two
people also died while hang gliding , this year in the USA.

I originally started to kite-board, as a safer alternative to
my addiction to the Paragliding, and the hang glider ; kinda looks
like kiting, is starting to catch up to the foot launched sports
with 18 in one year ? :(

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Re: Camber fatality

Postby edt » Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:55 am

Toby wrote:
Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:44 pm
If anything erratic...release!
So true. Release and worry about it later.

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Re: Camber fatality

Postby Peert » Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:52 am

Your list is likely not even complete since reports in other languages than you search words are probably not found by google.
There have been two of Dutch experienced kitesurfers:

https://www.ad.nl/binnenland/lichaam-ge ... oogle.com/

http://www.kitehigh.nl/forum/index.php?topic=54463.0

This was after a year of no casualties. Year before only one if I recal correctly.

Russia? China, Korea, Phillipines, Thailand, Turkey, Egypt, Greece, Croatia? .. I have maybe once or twice read a story from those countries... That's not proportional to the numbers of kitesurfers activeI am afraid....
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Re: Camber fatality

Postby plummet » Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:01 am

Also. Where a bloody helmet!
A fatal head injury could potentially have only been a whiplash or a few bruises if wearing a helmet.
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Re: Camber fatality

Postby longwhitecloud » Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:48 am

Peert wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:52 am
Your list is likely not even complete since reports in other languages than you search words are probably not found by google.
There have been two of Dutch experienced kitesurfers:

https://www.ad.nl/binnenland/lichaam-ge ... oogle.com/

http://www.kitehigh.nl/forum/index.php?topic=54463.0

This was after a year of no casualties. Year before only one if I recal correctly.

Russia? China, Korea, Phillipines, Thailand, Turkey, Egypt, Greece, Croatia? .. I have maybe once or twice read a story from those countries... That's not proportional to the numbers of kitesurfers activeI am afraid....
Yes no doubt it is far from complete for 2018.

It rubs me up the wrong way when I hear brands/reps talk about how much safer kiting is than it used to be. It needs the same respect as it had 10 years ago+ nothing should have changed with regards to that.

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Re: Camber fatality

Postby nothing2seehere » Mon Jul 22, 2019 8:47 am

plummet wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:01 am
Also. Where a bloody helmet!
A fatal head injury could potentially have only been a whiplash or a few bruises if wearing a helmet.
I'll bite then. How do you think a helmet can help (against fatal head injuries)?

As an example, cycle helmets with a thick single use crush liner are designed to help minimise abrasion injuries from tarmac at slow speeds. Wake board helmets are designed to protect against trailing handles in a cable park as you swim back to the side. We are talking about impacts in the order of magnitude of a trip when walking. Being lofted into a static object is a far greater level of trauma than any helmet is designed to protect from (you start getting into spinal damage and more severe problems further down the chain)

(For the record I choose to wear a helmet but more against sun damage and as ear protection - I can turn my head in a crash so the water doesn't flush my sinuses so severely and my ears are protected from perforation - rather than any perceived resistance to static objects on the beach. I'd back the motion - 'Wear a helmet, its a good idea' - but I don't believe building the perceived protective qualities of helmet liners up is helpful to any except insurance lawyers (see the car insurance industry refusing payouts to people with broken collar bones and legs because they weren't wearing a helmet when the car hit))


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