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That guy is dangerous

Postby kitelife » Mon Aug 19, 2019 5:36 am

Overheard these words explaining a skilled kiter kitelooping near the beach/launch. Just curious how others define a “dangerous” kiter.

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Re: “That guy is dangerous”

Postby or6 » Mon Aug 19, 2019 6:27 am

Interesting question. The dangerous kiters usually are either showoffs, or the selfcentred ones, who live in their own bubble and don't pay any attention to other people. There are always some clueless ones, but you can't really blame, we've all been there.

Another question comes up: does anybody ever tell this guy that he's a danger?
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Re: That guy is dangerous

Postby Toby » Mon Aug 19, 2019 12:47 pm

plus teaching in a jumping area.

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Re: That guy is dangerous

Postby gmb13 » Mon Aug 19, 2019 12:53 pm

I define a dangerous kites as someone who constantly puts other people in danger on and off the water.

For example:

launching directly upwind or in the middle people lying on a crowded beach, when 50m away there is 100m2 space for launching kites.

Jumping directly upwind of swimmers. The list goes on...

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Re: “That guy is dangerous”

Postby jumptheshark » Mon Aug 19, 2019 12:56 pm

More often than not its the example set that is the danger. There is such a wide gap in skill and experience that truly advanced riders can do things in places that are relatively low risk to themselves and others, but are a disaster in waiting when less advanced kiters try the same thing in the same spot, or when the conditions are not right. It's not always the obvious kite loop close to the beach, but just the simple stuff like where and how they launch and land, or walk out through a hazard, beach/dock starts near a crowd, riding right up onto the exit or clearing a small gap/channel etc. Great kiters can do so many things effortlessly and they look slick as shit. Usually they are also really tempting because they save time and effort. So many of the little things are not appropriate for all of us and we need someone to attach the "do not try this at home" label.

For sure there are examples of top riders being a danger, but 9/10 times its the person who stands in a precarious spot with their kite in the air for 20 min in indecision. We have a number of hella sketch launches and you can tell a hazard kiter right away simply from their behaviour while rigging. Most of us are quick to give a new face the layout of how the place works, but your often working against the power of the stoke. It's also simply hypocritical for us to tell someone they should maybe think twice about doing something that someone else is in the process of making look really easy.
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Re: That guy is dangerous

Postby Kristan » Mon Aug 19, 2019 12:59 pm

At one of the spots we had some sort of "pool" at the beach, guarded area with floating tubes and nets underneath, so jellyfishes won't get inside. It's major area where ordinary people and kids were. One of the kiters decided that it's a good idea to jump inside of this area, doing tricks and shit, landing a bit too close next to the people. Maybe he was in complete control, people actually cheered for him. But I though that one little mistake would put somebody to the hospital, and this dude to the jail. While everyone high-fived him, I wanted to break his nose.

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Re: “That guy is dangerous”

Postby leeuwen » Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:37 pm

jumptheshark wrote:
Mon Aug 19, 2019 12:56 pm
More often than not its the example set that is the danger. There is such a wide gap in skill and experience that truly advanced riders can do things in places that are relatively low risk to themselves and others,
Still it is very debatable if they simply also shouldn't do this stuff either.
Those situations do not account for equipment failure or maybe a simple stumble due to whatever reason.
I am fine with people doing a calculated risk for themselves but the moment you put other people at risk the line should definitely be drawn a lot more strictly.

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Re: “That guy is dangerous”

Postby prop_joe » Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:46 pm

jumptheshark wrote:
Mon Aug 19, 2019 12:56 pm
More often than not its the example set that is the danger. There is such a wide gap in skill and experience that truly advanced riders can do things in places that are relatively low risk to themselves and others, but are a disaster in waiting when less advanced kiters try the same thing in the same spot, or when the conditions are not right. It's not always the obvious kite loop close to the beach, but just the simple stuff like where and how they launch and land, or walk out through a hazard, beach/dock starts near a crowd, riding right up onto the exit or clearing a small gap/channel etc. Great kiters can do so many things effortlessly and they look slick as shit. Usually they are also really tempting because they save time and effort. So many of the little things are not appropriate for all of us and we need someone to attach the "do not try this at home" label.

For sure there are examples of top riders being a danger, but 9/10 times its the person who stands in a precarious spot with their kite in the air for 20 min in indecision. We have a number of hella sketch launches and you can tell a hazard kiter right away simply from their behaviour while rigging. Most of us are quick to give a new face the layout of how the place works, but your often working against the power of the stoke. It's also simply hypocritical for us to tell someone they should maybe think twice about doing something that someone else is in the process of making look really easy.
Good summary. I think it's often the case that scenarios aren't fully understood, just because something appears dangerous to a particular individual doesn't necessarily mean that's the case. In my experience it is rare to see highly skilled riders doing things to put others in danger. Without sounding to cliche it's the guys that show up with all the shiny new safety gear and brimming with Youtube knowledge that I keep an eye on, 2mins on the water is usually enough too see how much of a birth you need to give them.

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Re: That guy is dangerous

Postby grigorib » Mon Aug 19, 2019 2:02 pm

The safest way to address it is to ban kiting on the beach and also ban going into water when coastguard is not present.
Also all the "showoffs" might need to stop posting videos and vlogs. As well as banning all the freestyle/waves/race competitions as obviously dangerous and promoting dangerous lifestyle. Let's take it further - you got to have to bodydrag half a mile offshore and only there you should be allowed to ride a board.
Also it's very important for all to stay home and not go anywhere where a danger can occur. Obviously because everyone and everything around you might be a danger.

Besides sarcasm - backroll transitions are fun and in lighter winds they ask for a kiteloop to keep going. Not a megaloop at 90ft air. Just a quick loop. Loops are fun and should be practiced and done. Don't throw tricks near/over beachgoers of course.

And speaking of dangerous - a Lake Michigan IKO instructor taking students to learn flying kites in the middle of the swimmers, right in the middle of a crowded public beach is dangerous. As far as I'm aware they actually banned kiting on one of the beaches _because_ of him teaching there.

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Re: That guy is dangerous

Postby Exal » Mon Aug 19, 2019 2:45 pm

I am dangerous when I have to stand there with my kite low over the ground for 3 minutes before someone of those 10 people makes a move. When I see someone comes in to land I usain bolt into position to catch the kite.


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