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Re: Foot Hooks

Postby purdyd » Sun Sep 01, 2019 2:43 am

I wonder if you aren’t over thinking this.

Unless you are jumping or racing most use one front strap or none,

To me the primary reason for that front foot strap or hook is to position the board during a water start.

You really don’t use the hook like you would on a twin tip or surfboard.

It’s possible you could get away with just a hook and not have to use a ski binding

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Re: Foot Hooks

Postby Bille » Sun Sep 01, 2019 3:57 am

purdyd wrote:
Sun Sep 01, 2019 2:43 am
I wonder if you aren’t over thinking this.

...
Let me TRY to explain , what happens when i do a Face-plant ...

Board hits a 1-M wave , and the nose
digs in . Over the fricken board , i go , with the kite powered up
to max. Next comes the face-plant , as i dive cleanly into the
water ; but the ankles are made of carbon and SS and the foot
straps literally hang my entire lower body to a FULL stop, as the
TT enters the surface tension from the water at 90-deg.

In the end , my lower body HURTS , the board just became a water
anchor, and the drag tries to pull both my fake legs , (OFF). I
have broken 6 fake legs ; doing this . Dude - it fricken Sucks !!!

All this happens, because my ankles do NOT bend , like yours ; they
stay 90-deg to the surface of the board, and it naturally follows
at the same angle when entering the water surface tension. Everything
below my hips; yea --- the fake stuff is way stronger than what's left of my
real legs , and it really is a problem when the fake stuff tries
to take out the real stuff.The lay-up on my New legs , it Ain't
gonna break ; so the real stuff is gonna Hate it now !!

It's like when they made snow ski boots taller, for better control ; the
leg just broke higher up, than it did with the low-profile ski-boot.

My ankles do NOT bend ; yours do, and your board just slips off
your feet when you do a face-plant.


You Get it ?


Bille

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Re: Foot Hooks

Postby purdyd » Sun Sep 01, 2019 4:36 am

Look I’m just offering an opinion as a foiler.

When I rode twin tips, I was locked in with tight straps and contoured pads. Heck people use boots. There are performance reasons for that.

Free ride foiling is different. You don’t need or even want to be locked in.

You see a lot of riders with only a front foot strap or hook. The biggest reason for this is to be able to position the board during a water start. Being able to pull the board toward you with your front leg is really nice, especially in light winds.

But you don’t need a full strap or hook that locks and covers your whole foot. It could be a hook that just covers a quarter of the top of your foot.

That should be sufficient to allow positioning the board and insure you do not get stuck.

Now whether that is practical given your feet and ankles I do not know. It would require you to able to balance and essentially ride strapless.

I admire your courage to take this on.

I did find Frances Rivera who works for Neil Pryde has one leg.
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Re: Foot Hooks

Postby OzBungy » Sun Sep 01, 2019 7:40 am

Just a thought, Blue Planet do the nub style foot hook.

https://www.blueplanetsurf.com/eva-foil ... -each.html

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I am wondering if you could position two foot hooks facing each other, maybe in a wedge shape. You push your foot in and slide it in a bit and it wedges from both sides. In a crash leverage will pull your foot out. Maybe a single nub style foot hook with a straight edge keeper on the other side.

Most foilers only use front straps. They're mainly for keeping the board up on it's rail while water starting. A large floaty foil will help with that too. Carbon is lighter and floats better. It also tends to bounce off when it hits you.
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Re: Foot Hooks

Postby lederhosen » Sun Sep 01, 2019 7:46 am

You could also use one front strap that goes perpendicular to the riding direction across the outside strap connectors.
Its softer than a hook and when you fall your foot will likely roll out over the strap instead of being caught in it. It works for me!
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Re: Foot Hooks

Postby Ulrik » Sun Sep 01, 2019 8:51 am

Just brainstorming:
How about using a (or some) magnet(s),to keep your front leg attached to the board ?.
Neodym magnets are strong, small and light. You can easily customize the amount of force needed to release your leg from the board.(And also release leg for jibing etc.)

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Re: Foot Hooks

Postby purdyd » Sun Sep 01, 2019 9:21 am

OzBungy wrote:
Sun Sep 01, 2019 7:40 am
Just a thought, Blue Planet do the nub style foot hook.

https://www.blueplanetsurf.com/eva-foil ... -each.html

[img]https://cdn.shoplightspeed.com/shops/61 ... e-each.jpg[/image mg]

I am wondering if you could position two foot hooks facing each other, maybe in a wedge shape. You push your foot in and slide it in a bit and it wedges from both sides. In a crash leverage will pull your foot out. Maybe a single nub style foot hook with a straight edge keeper on the other side.

Most foilers only use front straps. They're mainly for keeping the board up on it's rail while water starting. A large floaty foil will help with that too. Carbon is lighter and floats better. It also tends to bounce off when it hits you.
This seems like a good idea. Maybe instead of two straight edges, Which would lock the angle of the foot, use two round or oval shapes, like two mushrooms next to each other.

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Re: Foot Hooks

Postby Herman » Sun Sep 01, 2019 10:44 am

Billie

This is probably old hat to you but just in case it's useful. It is regarding positioning for water start:

The difference in handling between a light carbon foil and low volume board, and a heavy foil with volume board is major.

The former sits on its side waiting for the start, the latter has to be held in position with your feet or the board pendulums to the horizontal. I would think this would influence your foothook design.

If you haven't already had a swim with the 2 types of combinations I would think it may be useful to do so.

Again sorry if it's old hat! Regards Herman.

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Re: Foot Hooks

Postby Bille » Sun Sep 01, 2019 11:25 am

purdyd wrote:
Sun Sep 01, 2019 4:36 am
Look I’m just offering an opinion as a foiler.

...

I did find Frances Rivera who works for Neil Pryde has one leg.

...
And i appreciate your help ---- Really !! :thumb:
it just gets frustrating sometimes . :(

So Ya see--- all this brainstorming , does work ; i get different
ideas. In the end ; i know for a fact i'm gonna do this hydrofoil
thing !!!

I noticed she doesn't use a knee brace ; i might need to get
on face-book to talk to her ? With 2 fake legs, there is no
dominate one ; so i need the knee-braces to reduce the slop.
Need the braces for snow skiing also.

@ Herman.
Didn't know that ; i'll do as you suggest and try both types
without a kite, (deep water swim). I have friends with with floaters
and sinkers.

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Re: Foot Hooks

Postby iriejohn » Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:00 pm

Hey Bille, I know this sounds weird, but you're not limited to foot shaped feet, are you? So you could actually design just about any way you fancy of temporarily attaching yourself to a board. IYSWIM.


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