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Attention Roll Leash

Postby Toby » Fri Sep 13, 2019 8:07 pm

I always thought roll leashes for boards are not dangerous...

Yesterday a guy told me he has a roll leash with 3.3 m, and his board hit his head, luckily just on the backside.

So, please be warned...best is always to ride without any board leash!


Here an example if it hits the front of your head...

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Re: Attention Roll Leash

Postby Toby » Fri Sep 13, 2019 9:44 pm

This is a different guy...but this is how it would look like.

And how your teeth could like I won’t post!
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Re: Attention Roll Leash

Postby foilholio » Sat Sep 14, 2019 12:43 am

And you can do that and worse in the surf WITHOUT a leash. Hydrofoil can do that on flat water too. Point? maybe helmet? If the leash didn't stretch or much, so like made with dyneema etc or couldn't sustain large force so like with a weak link then it wouldn't do it either. Point? Simplistic arguments like all leashes are bad ,or foil kites are shit, are for stupid people. Display some nuance please.

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Re: Attention Roll Leash

Postby Hugh2 » Sat Sep 14, 2019 7:10 am

I still see people using roll leashes on their twintips, like in the Columbia River Gorge the past month. I wonder if they never learned to body drag effectively. I used a short board leash when learning, but quickly ditched it after having the board come back at me with a vengeance. I did struggle for quite a while to master body dragging and even lost boards twice because of it (both recovered eventually). Are folks not being taught to body drag anymore? One person whose board I returned to them in the gorge was trying to swim upwind to the board with their kite directly above their head, not body dragging at all, and of course making zero progress, indeed losing ground.

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Re: Attention Roll Leash

Postby dice » Sat Sep 14, 2019 10:41 am

Having a leash has little to do with the ability to body drag, body dragging is really easy to do.
I don't use a leash myself, but I really understand why some people use it.
I don't kite in flat water. So body dragging is really a hassle and sometimes even useless if you don't even know where your board is.
I've been in situations where I wished I had a leash too :)

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Re: Attention Roll Leash

Postby Toby » Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:34 am

Some people are lazy. Sure it is much easier to get your board back with a leash. That’s his argument for using it.
I showed him the Go Joe from Ocean Rodeo as alternative...let’s see if he will get one...

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Re: Attention Roll Leash

Postby hongchew » Sat Sep 14, 2019 12:05 pm

Toby wrote:
Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:34 am
Some people are lazy. Sure it is much easier to get your board back with a leash. That’s his argument for using it.
I showed him the Go Joe from Ocean Rodeo as alternative...let’s see if he will get one...
By the same logic, people who wear PFD are also lazy, lol.

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Re: Attention Roll Leash

Postby kite_hh » Sat Sep 14, 2019 1:05 pm

Not again. :-(

One topic (this guy is dangerous) has just been left off the hook, now this starts.

The safety/leash/helmet nexus seems to divide the people.

I am about to open a page on my wiki to make the ultimate pro and con list. Anyone could enter their reason for or against a leash, a roll leash, a PFD, a helmet, and whatnot.

It is so embarrassing to see people constantly fight over the same stuff with old arguments and no solution. These ideological fights are boring and useless.

The world isn't black and white and the generalizations that foster these discussions aren't helping. In fact what's right in a certain situation can be dead wrong in another.

But then again, maybe I should just ignore this topic and let these people go at it again and again and again and again ...
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Re: Attention Roll Leash

Postby Bill C » Sat Sep 14, 2019 1:16 pm

Show some foil injuries so you can post "Attention Foil Users".

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Re: Attention Roll Leash

Postby FLandOBX » Sat Sep 14, 2019 1:38 pm

IMHO, every kiter needs to learn to body drag efficiently as a basic beginner skill. If you can see your board, you should be able to body drag to retrieve it. In addition to retrieving boards, under some circumstances, you'll want to be able to body drag to a specific location on the shoreline. There is no excuse for not learning to body drag and many reasons why every kiter needs to perfect the skill.

The board visibility argument may be more compelling. But solutions other than a board leash are available. Dark colored boards (or their fins) can be painted bright colors. Go-Joe's are available (although I'd never use one). There has been discussion of electronic tracking devices or alarms that can help locate your board. Technology exists to help us find lost car keys, stolen i-Phones, wayward pets, etc. It probably has been applied to kiteboards but, if not, should be easily adaptable. Look for a solution other than a leash for safety reasons.


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