elguapo wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 5:34 pmthese are honest..non-leading or pointed questions... (for anyone to answer)Pemba wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 3:20 pmO, I accept that there is a possibility that the "Other side" might want to make money and distort the narrative. It's just not very convincing that this lies behind the "science" that claims that humans are causing problematic global warming. I don't want to make this any more political than necessary but 187 countries have ratified the Paris agreement, only Trump in his wisdom has pulled out because "he doesn't believe" in global warming (ok, and a bit more than that). 187 countries all fooled by the hippies, the commies, the non GMO lobby etc etc, only Trump has seen through it all ?? It is far far easier to believe that "big oil" etc are contaminating the narrative. But I think I'm open to listening to all arguments. I try to be anyway.Kamikuza wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 3:54 pm
If you can easily imagine that Big Oil, "the establishment" etc. is making money off it ... why not the "other" side? There's plenty of money in alternate stuff -- just ask the "non-GMO" folks, or the alt med crowd... Hopefully it's not something as petty as making sure your doctorate is topical... Tenure, bitches!
Climate change is not *caused* by humans, but *clearly* the industrial revolution has had a hand in tipping the scales of the natural progression.
But carbon offset credits tax whatever? No, that's just NOT a solution.
Carbon offset credits tax whatever ? Agreed that's probably not a solution, sounds more like something to get political brownie points, maybe something for (most of) the 187 climate accord ratifiers. But I think the "solution" starts at personal level. I really don't want to be telling people what they should or shouldn't do, however I do appreciate anybody that tries. Doing something is better than complaining at others and doing nothing.
#1 do you TRULY believe that humans will (or can) stop global warming?
and then....if you can accept that the planet has history of heating and cooling throughout its history....
#2 do you think there may be blowback or potential ramifications of breaking that natural cycle?
#3 do you feel humans as a whole are smarter than the lump of chemical/physical reactions that we call "mother nature"?
#4 what causeD the previous ice ages to start...and stop... the previous dozen plus times that happened?
(for background.. we have not have a true ice age since western industrialization)
Do I believe, do I think, do I feel etc ? I think the world is round, I think the holocaust happened, I think smoking might cause lung cancer. And I think that global warming is caused by humans simply because I am told by what I conclude is a majority of scientists that it is so, same as with the shape of the world, the holocaust etc. But there is debate about all of these things and that's fine. Pointing out the holes in science/methodology is a good thing, manipulating evidence is a bad thing, agree to all that. Calling something a hoax as I think some are doing just because there is still a debate, well that's something else. I think that a majority of scientists thinks the world as we know it is in big big trouble. Saying it's all a hoax is like when 10 people are telling you that you have a green loaded gun against your head with somebody wanting to pull the trigger and you say no that's a hoax, guns aren't green. Better move your head out if the way and then look up to see if green guns exist (well, I think my meaning must be clear). The Paris accord might be window dressing, I don't know but I'm ready to believe that. But sadly it's apparently the best the world is able to come up with. A Paris accord is better than no Paris accord. If a Washington accord would do more for the environment, I'm likely to be all for it. In the mean time..