Contact   Imprint   Advertising   Guidelines

The circle of trust

Forum for kitesurfers
User avatar
FLandOBX
Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 1295
Joined: Sun May 04, 2014 1:58 am
Kiting since: 2007
Local Beach: Hatteras Island, North Carolina, USA
Central Florida, USA
Style: Freestyle, Airstyle, Hydrofoil
Gear: Cabrinha Apollo, FS Speed 4, FS Soul, Pansh Aurora II, Axis Ltd, RRD Poison, SS Ankle Biter, SS Hoverglide
Brand Affiliation: None
Has thanked: 49 times
Been thanked: 68 times

Re: The circle of trust

Postby FLandOBX » Fri Nov 22, 2019 1:20 pm

Matteo V wrote:
Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:35 am
FLandOBX wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:26 pm
But, GoJoe? Sorry. GoJoe = Kooksville. :D
....But I am not a fan of those too self concious to use something they might get a benifit out of. That is worse than a kook, in my book.
I absolutely agree with that.

For me, it has nothing to do with self-consciousness. IMHO, a GoJoe signals to me that the rider has never adequately learned to body drag back to his/her board. Body dragging is a skill that should be mastered at the early lesson stage. If a rider has short-cut the basics, I want to avoid him/her.
These users thanked the author FLandOBX for the post:
knotwindy (Fri Nov 22, 2019 4:18 pm)
Rating: 10%

User avatar
Cab Driver
Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 509
Joined: Fri Jul 01, 2005 7:12 pm
Kiting since: 0
Brand Affiliation: Cabrinha
Location: Distributor/Cabrinha/Miami
Has thanked: 1 time
Been thanked: 23 times

Re: The circle of trust

Postby Cab Driver » Fri Nov 22, 2019 4:54 pm

FLandOBX wrote:
Fri Nov 22, 2019 1:20 pm
Matteo V wrote:
Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:35 am
FLandOBX wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:26 pm
But, GoJoe? Sorry. GoJoe = Kooksville. :D
....But I am not a fan of those too self concious to use something they might get a benifit out of. That is worse than a kook, in my book.
I absolutely agree with that.

For me, it has nothing to do with self-consciousness. IMHO, a GoJoe signals to me that the rider has never adequately learned to body drag back to his/her board. Body dragging is a skill that should be mastered at the early lesson stage. If a rider has short-cut the basics, I want to avoid him/her.
hmm... even a body dragging master will have a hard time retrieving a board that they can't see. So I can't subscribe to your view 100%. Yes, master the skill of body dragging because it's a VERY critical piece of safety, but even then things happen and the wrong color board in the right gnarly conditions will be hard to find after you've spent a few minutes sorting out your kite...
These users thanked the author Cab Driver for the post:
SENDIT! (Fri Nov 22, 2019 6:43 pm)
Rating: 10%

Matteo V
Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 1518
Joined: Mon Mar 20, 2017 3:42 pm
Kiting since: 2008
Local Beach: US, Iowa/Nebraska/Kansas/Utah/Oregon Coast
Favorite Beaches: Ft. Stevens, North coast of Oregon
Style: Just like school in summertime
Gear: Delta Kites and LF Kitefish QuadMod
Snowboard (Cambered and Rockered)
Foil kites on the snow
Brand Affiliation: NONE F--- the corporate world
Has thanked: 65 times
Been thanked: 95 times

Re: The circle of trust

Postby Matteo V » Fri Nov 22, 2019 4:59 pm

FLandOBX wrote:
Fri Nov 22, 2019 1:20 pm
.... a GoJoe signals to me that the rider has never adequately learned to body drag back to his/her board. Body dragging is a skill that should be mastered at the early lesson stage. If a rider has short-cut the basics, I want to avoid him/her.
That is a definite problem. Every kiter learning in normal conditions should NOT use a GoJoe to learn body dragging. Use it after you have the skill to not need it. Or just like a leash, use it only when you can gain a clear benefit, as in the situation of high current.

Same with swimming and lifejackets. Make sure you can swim unaided, but definitely use flotation when it is use than not.

grigorib
Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 2043
Joined: Mon Aug 01, 2016 8:12 pm
Kiting since: 2009
Local Beach: OBX; Clinton Lake, IL; Lake Michigan; Tawas, MI; SPI; La Ventana
Gear: Kites: Slingshot Rally 5/7/9/11m, Slingshot Turbine 9m, Flysurfer Speed4 10m standard, Peter Lynn Venom II ARC 16m
Boards: Spleene RIP 37, Flysurfer Flydoor5 XL, Slingshot/Moses 80/91/105cm masts 590/683s wings, Tim's 36" "woody", Slingshot Micro 3'6", MBS Comp 95x

For sale: Slingshot SST 5m 2018 $400, Slingshot SST 6m 2018 $480, Slingshot SST 9m 2019 $625, Slingshot RPM 11m 2018 $600, Core XR4 10m $900, Core XR4 13.5m $980, Core XR4 17m $1075, Slingshot Turbine 5m 2017 like new $450, BROkite carbon board 140x44cm like new complete $650, Slingshot Rally 6m 2017 like new $530, 2019 Slingshot Guardian 17" brand new $260, 2018 Slingshot Guardian 20" bar $190
.
Brand Affiliation: None
Has thanked: 113 times
Been thanked: 139 times

Re: The circle of trust

Postby grigorib » Fri Nov 22, 2019 5:35 pm

Let's stop shaming people who wear helmets - they are just not willing do die from head injury as soon as the rest of us.
Floatation vest is smart thing, especially where you can't touch the bottom - a story of massive leg cramp and almost drowning made me wear impact vest to help my chances.

GoJoe is a clear indication that person is learning and is not fully confident in his/her bodydragging abilities. And let's be honest - how many times all of us wiped out and couldn't see the board in chop or sun reflection on water for a while. How many of us spent 10 minutes or more looking for such board. You wish you had a GoJoe which we would never use of course.

Roll leash is a bad idea though floatation vest + helmet are a must to go with it if nobody showed you missing teeth and cut faces pics from board leash use yet. In OBX, on a shallow spot if you see a guy/girl with floataion vest, roll leash and helmet you can bet they're from Canada, Montreal specifically and I'm puzzled why nobody talks them out of the roll leash at least.
Last edited by grigorib on Fri Nov 22, 2019 8:47 pm, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
kgb
Frequent Poster
Posts: 206
Joined: Wed Jun 25, 2003 10:21 pm
Kiting since: 9
Local Beach: Montrose Beach
Favorite Beaches: Cape Hatteras, NC & Tarifa, Spain
Style: Freeriding and wave riding.
Gear: Kite - Slingshot Fuel
Board - North Jaime Pro (twintip)
Brand Affiliation: None at all.
Location: Chicago, IL
Has thanked: 3 times
Been thanked: 16 times
Contact:

Re: The circle of trust

Postby kgb » Fri Nov 22, 2019 5:52 pm

Float vest, impact vest, life jacket

All entirely different bits of kit for different purposes.

One of them is entirely inappropriate for kitesurfing.

Matteo V
Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 1518
Joined: Mon Mar 20, 2017 3:42 pm
Kiting since: 2008
Local Beach: US, Iowa/Nebraska/Kansas/Utah/Oregon Coast
Favorite Beaches: Ft. Stevens, North coast of Oregon
Style: Just like school in summertime
Gear: Delta Kites and LF Kitefish QuadMod
Snowboard (Cambered and Rockered)
Foil kites on the snow
Brand Affiliation: NONE F--- the corporate world
Has thanked: 65 times
Been thanked: 95 times

Re: The circle of trust

Postby Matteo V » Fri Nov 22, 2019 8:01 pm

kgb wrote:
Fri Nov 22, 2019 5:52 pm
Float vest, impact vest, life jacket

All entirely different bits of kit for different purposes.

One of them is entirely inappropriate for kitesurfing.
Which one? And do you mean "inappropriate" as in "not cool" OR detrimental to your safety as in that it can cause you more harm than good?

grigorib
Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 2043
Joined: Mon Aug 01, 2016 8:12 pm
Kiting since: 2009
Local Beach: OBX; Clinton Lake, IL; Lake Michigan; Tawas, MI; SPI; La Ventana
Gear: Kites: Slingshot Rally 5/7/9/11m, Slingshot Turbine 9m, Flysurfer Speed4 10m standard, Peter Lynn Venom II ARC 16m
Boards: Spleene RIP 37, Flysurfer Flydoor5 XL, Slingshot/Moses 80/91/105cm masts 590/683s wings, Tim's 36" "woody", Slingshot Micro 3'6", MBS Comp 95x

For sale: Slingshot SST 5m 2018 $400, Slingshot SST 6m 2018 $480, Slingshot SST 9m 2019 $625, Slingshot RPM 11m 2018 $600, Core XR4 10m $900, Core XR4 13.5m $980, Core XR4 17m $1075, Slingshot Turbine 5m 2017 like new $450, BROkite carbon board 140x44cm like new complete $650, Slingshot Rally 6m 2017 like new $530, 2019 Slingshot Guardian 17" brand new $260, 2018 Slingshot Guardian 20" bar $190
.
Brand Affiliation: None
Has thanked: 113 times
Been thanked: 139 times

Re: The circle of trust

Postby grigorib » Fri Nov 22, 2019 8:48 pm

For me personally an impact vest is least hindrance and additional (while insufficient as USCG would deem it) floatation

As of beginners - not everyone has 8 weeks a year to spend on kite trips and if you see unconfident person with all the beginner paraphernalia - consider him/her as obstruction you gotta yield to, and occasionally save their ass.
Karma goes long way

User avatar
kgb
Frequent Poster
Posts: 206
Joined: Wed Jun 25, 2003 10:21 pm
Kiting since: 9
Local Beach: Montrose Beach
Favorite Beaches: Cape Hatteras, NC & Tarifa, Spain
Style: Freeriding and wave riding.
Gear: Kite - Slingshot Fuel
Board - North Jaime Pro (twintip)
Brand Affiliation: None at all.
Location: Chicago, IL
Has thanked: 3 times
Been thanked: 16 times
Contact:

Re: The circle of trust

Postby kgb » Fri Nov 22, 2019 11:46 pm

Matteo V wrote:
Fri Nov 22, 2019 8:01 pm
kgb wrote:
Fri Nov 22, 2019 5:52 pm
Float vest, impact vest, life jacket

All entirely different bits of kit for different purposes.

One of them is entirely inappropriate for kitesurfing.
Which one? And do you mean "inappropriate" as in "not cool" OR detrimental to your safety as in that it can cause you more harm than good?
Come on do some work,

Tell us the differences and see which one your workings rules out.

You do know the difference between a life jacket and the other two don’t you?

User avatar
edt
Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 5574
Joined: Fri Jul 16, 2010 6:27 am
Kiting since: 2010
Local Beach: Michigan
Gear: slingshot liquid force wainman pansh naish duotone cwb burton ronix rpm ozone
Has thanked: 44 times
Been thanked: 78 times

Re: The circle of trust

Postby edt » Sat Nov 23, 2019 12:06 am

It's stupid to chide someone for wearing safety gear.
These users thanked the author edt for the post:
purdyd (Sat Nov 23, 2019 12:23 am)
Rating: 10%

Matteo V
Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 1518
Joined: Mon Mar 20, 2017 3:42 pm
Kiting since: 2008
Local Beach: US, Iowa/Nebraska/Kansas/Utah/Oregon Coast
Favorite Beaches: Ft. Stevens, North coast of Oregon
Style: Just like school in summertime
Gear: Delta Kites and LF Kitefish QuadMod
Snowboard (Cambered and Rockered)
Foil kites on the snow
Brand Affiliation: NONE F--- the corporate world
Has thanked: 65 times
Been thanked: 95 times

Re: The circle of trust

Postby Matteo V » Sat Nov 23, 2019 12:12 am

kgb wrote:
Fri Nov 22, 2019 11:46 pm
Matteo V wrote:
Fri Nov 22, 2019 8:01 pm
kgb wrote:
Fri Nov 22, 2019 5:52 pm
Float vest, impact vest, life jacket

All entirely different bits of kit for different purposes.

One of them is entirely inappropriate for kitesurfing.
Which one? And do you mean "inappropriate" as in "not cool" OR detrimental to your safety as in that it can cause you more harm than good?
Come on do some work,

Tell us the differences and see which one your workings rules out.

You do know the difference between a life jacket and the other two don’t you?
You have a pretty big chip on your shoulder, so I did not want to put words in your mouth. Could you clearly state your ideas for us? I am interested in what you are thinking, but again, I don't want to tell you what you are thinking. So please tell us. And there are lots of ESL forum users, thus it helps to be clear with your statements.


Return to “Kitesurfing”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Bing [Bot], foilholio, Google [Bot], jumptheshark, Kamikuza, MSN [Bot], surferlars and 13 guests