Duotone Click vs Trust bar

[Matteo V]

Awe, Kami, you care! And thanks for feeding the algorithm.

Consider the QR as a collection of parts. None of the parts in a the Click mechanism are any more complex than any of the QR parts. You’re exaggerating.

Similar principle not identical mechanism. You’re exaggerating. Especially about how much of a nuisance they are... or maybe you’re just mechanical inept?

QR's are a single lever activated by a linear motion. The only rotating one I know of is the COREporate one. There is no way a ratchet mechanism with a double line winder and turning blocks is "as simple as a lever". Do you have a mechanical background? If so, go ahead and make your case for how the actual Clique mechanism is just as simple as a North or Switch or LF CL release. Or just put up the pic like I suggested before. Even an exploded parts view would work.

Resale is always the weakest argument for or against something. That’s not exaggerating, it’s just dumb.

I am stumped on this one. How does your logic work?

Personally, resale is the best indicator of durability and value.

First, if I buy something for $1000, and can sell it for $200 a year later, I lost $600. But if I buy something for $500 and sell it for $180 a year later, then I lost $320 over the course of it's use. irie mon would say that I just have money problems if worry about this loss of value. But I was raised differently.

Second, the used market's perceived value of an item is strongly correlated to it's continued usefulness/desirability when in a used condition, and the continued cost/trouble of maintenance. When the value remains high, or even proportional to it's original sale price, then the product is likely a durable and trouble free item. But if the used value of something initially extremely expensive is not more than that of an average priced item, then there is clear indication that that item was never worth the additional initial cost.

As you have indicated you find a flaw with this principle, let me know where it is.

[iriejohn]

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First, if I buy something for $1000, and can sell it for $200 a year later, I lost $600. But if I buy something for $500 and sell it for $180 a year later, then I lost $320 over the course of it's use. irie mon would say that I just have money problems if worry about this loss of value. But I was raised differently.

You certainly do have money problems!

[Matteo V]

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First, if I buy something for $1000, and can sell it for $200 a year later, I lost $600. But if I buy something for $500 and sell it for $180 a year later, then I lost $320 over the course of it's use. irie mon would say that I just have money problems if worry about this loss of value. But I was raised differently.

You certainly do have money problems!

Well then help me out, irie! Western union me enough money so that I don't have to worry about $320 here and there.

[iriejohn]

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First, if I buy something for $1000, and can sell it for $200 a year later, I lost $600. But if I buy something for $500 and sell it for $180 a year later, then I lost $320 over the course of it's use. irie mon would say that I just have money problems if worry about this loss of value. But I was raised differently.

You certainly do have money problems!

Well then help me out, irie! Western union me enough money so that I don't have to worry about $320 here and there.

[Matteo V]

You certainly do have money problems!

Well then help me out, irie! Western union me enough money so that I don't have to worry about $320 here and there.

C'mon irie mon! I just sent 10,000 to a well known foreign country because I am the sole descendant of a long lost king. I am supposed to be top of the line for an 8,000 inheritance. But that was months ago, and no word yet. I still have my little nose pressed up against the window for the Fedex guy to show up with my cash and it is starting to freeze to the window.

But you seem to not have money problems so help a fellow kiter out! Come on, you care enough to proof read! Why not send some money so I won't have the money problems you think I have.

[iriejohn]

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First, if I buy something for $1000, and can sell it for $200 a year later, I lost $600. But if I buy something for $500 and sell it for $180 a year later, then I lost $320 over the course of it's use. irie mon would say that I just have money problems if worry about this loss of value. But I was raised differently.

You certainly do have money problems!

Well then help me out, irie! Western union me enough money so that I don't have to worry about $320 here and there.

C'mon irie mon! I just sent 10,000 to a well known foreign country because I am the sole descendant of a long lost king. I am supposed to be top of the line for an 8,000 inheritance. But that was months ago, and no word yet. I still have my little nose pressed up against the window for the Fedex guy to show up with my cash and it is starting to freeze to the window.

But you seem to not have money problems so help a fellow kiter out! Come on, you care enough to proof read! Why not send some money so I won't have the money problems you think I have.

So "if I buy something for $1000, and can sell it for $200 a year later, I lost $600"

You couldn't make it up!

[Kamikuza]

Awe, Kami, you care! And thanks for feeding the algorithm.

Consider the QR as a collection of parts. None of the parts in a the Click mechanism are any more complex than any of the QR parts. You’re exaggerating.

Similar principle not identical mechanism. You’re exaggerating. Especially about how much of a nuisance they are... or maybe you’re just mechanical inept?

QR's are a single lever activated by a linear motion. The only rotating one I know of is the COREporate one. There is no way a ratchet mechanism with a double line winder and turning blocks is "as simple as a lever". Do you have a mechanical background? If so, go ahead and make your case for how the actual Clique mechanism is just as simple as a North or Switch or LF CL release. Or just put up the pic like I suggested before. Even an exploded parts view would work.

Resale is always the weakest argument for or against something. That’s not exaggerating, it’s just dumb.

I am stumped on this one. How does your logic work?

Personally, resale is the best indicator of durability and value.

First, if I buy something for $1000, and can sell it for $200 a year later, I lost $600. But if I buy something for $500 and sell it for $180 a year later, then I lost $320 over the course of it's use. irie mon would say that I just have money problems if worry about this loss of value. But I was raised differently.

Second, the used market's perceived value of an item is strongly correlated to it's continued usefulness/desirability when in a used condition, and the continued cost/trouble of maintenance. When the value remains high, or even proportional to it's original sale price, then the product is likely a durable and trouble free item. But if the used value of something initially extremely expensive is not more than that of an average priced item, then there is clear indication that that item was never worth the additional initial cost.

As you have indicated you find a flaw with this principle, let me know where it is.

So that’s an admission that it’s not “infinitely” more complex and you’ve now moved the goalposts to as simple a lever

I don’t have a degree in mechanical engineering but I can load a line trimmer so it feeds without failure to the end of the line

The value is whatever the market will support. By your logic, the ancient gear that gets sold and bought for inflated prices is then actually that valuable. It’s not.

The same materials go into a Mercedes as does a Toyota. Where does the additional value come from?

[longwhitecloud]

i have a seen quite a few second hand ones for sale- don't seem to be snapped up like hotcakes at 30% of the retail price.

My advice - don't get one.

[Kamikuza]

i have a seen quite a few second hand ones for sale- don't seem to be snapped up like hotcakes at 30% of the retail price.

My advice - don't get one.

Where? I’ll take one.

If we followed your advice, we’d all be riding 2-line Wipikas and riding pickle forks...

[Matteo V]

If we followed your advice, we’d all be riding 2-line Wipikas and riding pickle forks...

If we followed your logic, we would all be riding bars with pulleys to increase turning speed. Or by now, maybe we would even have multiple pulleys on each side of the bar.

A few "advancements" in kiteboarding have actually been "gamechangers". Most have been mistakes. Not every thing we are sold as an advancement is actually better. Any kiter with 10 years of experience is well aware of that.