That wasn't entirely the case tho. There was more than enough room there to ride past, but Toby wanted to jump and was complaining that another rider was doing his own thing. It really was not about yielding or not, it was that he didn't want the other guy there at all.Matteo V wrote: ↑Sat Dec 28, 2019 4:26 pmYeah, we had this discussion already in another thread. Toby was complaining about some dork trying to surf a half meter wave that made it into the flatwater lagoon. And just on the outside it was like twice as big! I'd be pissed too. Ride the feature where it is good, not where it is barely of note. (Yes, sometimes I will do some riding on secondaries on the inside on double overhead days too.)
I am pretty sure Toby is not one of those guys that rides in the break and avoids the wave to ride on the flat.
What do we know about what has been going on tho? If there is one nice wave and TT users and beginners have been constantly putting fellow kiters in danger by holding their line regardless if someone is on a wave or jumping in the waves cutting it off for everyone, then I would say it is appropriate with rules. Most locations have some tacit rules kind of like this, and most of the time it isn't an issue.
Yep, that is my call too. Don't restrict a board type if you don't know how a rider is riding. TT's rip on waves. Kind of like the evolution of prone surfboard, to kitesurfboard, to low volume directional, and then maybe some day back to TT!
To me this line does not mean that TT riders and banned from this spot. It just means the it is probably dangerous for the average TT rider. You need to review and determine if you have the skill to ride it if you have a TT.edt wrote: Which I gather means ATTENTION: This spot is inappropriate for twintips and beginners.
Not is not the dangerous is they want the spot from themselves is very simple I know the spotplummet wrote: ↑Mon Dec 30, 2019 1:17 amTo me this line does not mean that TT riders and banned from this spot. It just means the it is probably dangerous for the average TT rider. You need to review and determine if you have the skill to ride it if you have a TT.edt wrote: Which I gather means ATTENTION: This spot is inappropriate for twintips and beginners.
If the answer is yes than Go hard.
There is a limit to what type of wave a TT can wave ride practically/safely. Small ankle biters... sure go hard. Get into lumpy steep double head and on a TT it starts getting real hard to not bury the nose taking the drop and bottom turn. You need to stomp the back foot hard not to nose dive and cartwheel through the washing machine. Even then you dont have enough length of rail to bite in or enough fin to not slide out on the superfast bottom turn.
So I would suggest that there are some spots that are not conducive to TT wave riding. That's not to say that you cant TT at that location by boosting off the ramps and ripping around the waves. But you will easily get punished if you try to TT wave ride that monster. I have a spot like that. It is hardcore and takes no prisoners. In the beginning days, I rode it on a wave TT and was terrifying on the big days. That location is why i delved into the mutant designs. I still wanted the glory of TT boosting action, forwards/backward and shallows riding. But I wanted to ride the monsters without dying. The end result is a board with quad fins at that back offset foot stance. Both those features combine with some nice rocker allow me to take the drop, not nose dive and get punished and the carve a mean as bottom turn without losing the edge and sliding out into the jaws of the monster.
Most people consider my mutant board a TT. It looks like one, is very similar in size and shape. Over the years I've had many people ask me how hell I can ride the big waves on a TT. I explain that its in the secret sauce that is in my mutant.
Anyway, a sign warning TT riders at my extreme location wouldn't be a bad idea. I rescued a TT the other day from a guy who went out at that location and got into a spot of bother. He had to body drag through the boulders among the breakers in the turbulent rotor of a wind shadow to get back to shore. Touch and go stuff. I then rode in holding his board riding the wave, flying the kite with one hand into the wind shadow and boulder field to get the board back. It was indeed dodgy.
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