Hi - Good timing as I was out on my 11m Dash today in strong 28 to 30mph UK winds, I have had more change to ride the 9m and 14m Dash too. I’m struggling a bit to love the Dash to be honest after coming off of Torch's. I feel the Dash and Torch are more different than the reviews would have you think. The Dash has long bridals and connection lines, is quite "C" shaped looking in the air but handles very differently from the Torch. I miss the constant power and agility of the Torch, there’s few kites that turn as fast as a Torch and few that are as good unhooked (and this is the main let down for me with the Dash).
- Dash: is quite a bit slower than the Torch but excels at long floaty jumps, the Torch gets you up there but does not have the glide the Dash offers. The Dash offers 30% - 50% more float than a Torch and is a great kite if you want to rip around boosting all day and doing rotations. The Dash puts you down on the water with a nice smooth landing, whereas the Torch is a much heavier landing and requires better flying skills. If you're still supple then the Torch wins here, if you're injured or getting older the Dash is more forgiving generally to ride and jump.
- For smooth winds 15 to 30mph I would pick the Torch hands down any day for freestyle. I am almost getting too much unhooked pop from the dash and you need to really haul in the de-power to unhook, whereas on the Torch I never touch the depower strap. Basic handlepasses, F16's, S-Bends etc the Torch is much better as the pop is perfect, and the stability unhooked is unmatched. Dash: I'm impressed that it's impossible to back stall being a bridaled kite as I managed to back stall my friends pivot a few times, Dash is stable unhooked too. For kiteloops I prefer the Torch as it’s more predictable and pulls better/faster.
- Dash: Needs a surprising amount of wind to come alive and is virtually the same wind range as a similar size Torch. The Dash is definitely a higher wind range kite, in the lower range it rolls around the sky, I would be happy taking an 11m Dash in 30mph at 85kg. The more wind the better time you have on the Dash. The Dash is slightly better suited to gusty winds as the Torch surges forward when it's gusty, the Dash absorbs gusts better.
- Set up: The Dash wins here as it's 3 strut with no 5th line, so much less faff than the Torch.
In summary: Get the Dash is you like boosting big (and it does boost very well) and enjoy hooked in tricks with some air time (board off's, rotations etc). If you really unhook a lot and have pretty smooth winds then the Torch any day. I'm going to get an 11m Torch to go with the 11m Dash.
I'm still looking for feedback for the 2020 Torch...anyone flown one ?
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