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Re: How much do top riders make?

Postby longwhitecloud » Mon Jan 06, 2020 1:30 am

andylc wrote:
Mon Jan 06, 2020 12:19 am
I was thinking that he should make a reasonable income from his YouTube videos, in that he has a couple hundred of them, with a sum of several million views and 50,000 or so subscribers, and for me at least I find his videos that most fun of the ‘big’ riders. But if you look at the figures it would seem that from YouTube he’s probably lucky to get a few thousand dollars a year.
You don't get paid for views, you get paid for ad placements that you can convert if you are allowed to participate. Ad revenue is fighting technologies like brave browser and similar that are growing at an exponential rate.

It is a great shame the power that some of these platforms now have, they clearly do not distribute wealth fairly imo, and don't hesitate to do anything to increase profits.. even completely changing the business model after sellers signed up. They just seem to do what they want while people are blinded by science...

Also take into account fraud designed to please the algorithm. Paid views, comments.. etc designed to look organic, you cannot believe anything these days, in fact it is hard to get a start of social advertising media without defrauding the system. 50 000 views for $10 etc...

Then there is click fraud.. $20 billion of it.. serve up ads.. bots watch them... advertiser ends up paying for them.. YouTube Google or whoever ends up keeping their large chunk of this fraud.

Anyway.. I'll stop being boring.

Pay in kiteboarding is bad to terrible for most and I reckon it's only going to get worse as the sport fragments further into a ridiculous number of sub disciplines, more specialised equipment a d pandering to the needs of another sport ( world sailing exclusivly running kiteboarding championships with ridiculously low prize money)

It's a great opportunity though at the same time if you are lucky enough to get sponsorship. Business education/ mentoring/agent will go a long way towards more $

I have been sponsored in 2 sports and getting boxes of free stuff and small amount of $ is the most exciting thing ever doing what you love... when you are young. Then you grow up and it hits you... all the hype you thought was the real world is business and you have to have the same business head to do well as a sponsored rider.
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Re: How much do top riders make?

Postby Eduardo » Mon Jan 06, 2020 1:33 am

I would guestimate that outside of the top 10 there is zero or nominal income outside of expenses. And top 10 would be lucky to get $50,000 on top of that. Given the size of the market, there would be no way sponsors could pay top dollar. also, it's not clear kiting sales are heavily influenced by pros. yes, they all need some good videos to sell the latest products. but it's not like a football star endorsing a product.

The big $ would be owning a kite company (Pete, Robby, ...) or being popular enough that your name on t-shirts can sell (mostly surfers here...).

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Re: How much do top riders make?

Postby tautologies » Mon Jan 06, 2020 1:51 am

plummet wrote:
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He's my unfounded guess.

The top 10 dudes like Kevin, Aaron, Nick will be making $200-$300k plus travel/accom etc
The next tear down. maybe top 10-20 will be $60-$100k dependant on online presence.

Then after than. Rats and mice. Dudes will be lucky to scrape a living and will rely on other forms of supplementary income.
Equipment might be provided, maybe travel costs. Sometimes just discounted kites......
No way. I'd venture a guess that a handful of riders makes between $50k to $100k...but they do have other sponsorships as well. Most will be way under $50k. I think if you are looking at totals, a few will be above $100, but I doubt anyone hits even $200k.

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Re: How much do top riders make?

Postby plummet » Mon Jan 06, 2020 5:01 am

tautologies wrote:
Mon Jan 06, 2020 1:51 am
plummet wrote:
Sun Jan 05, 2020 9:32 pm
He's my unfounded guess.

The top 10 dudes like Kevin, Aaron, Nick will be making $200-$300k plus travel/accom etc
The next tear down. maybe top 10-20 will be $60-$100k dependant on online presence.

Then after than. Rats and mice. Dudes will be lucky to scrape a living and will rely on other forms of supplementary income.
Equipment might be provided, maybe travel costs. Sometimes just discounted kites......
No way. I'd venture a guess that a handful of riders makes between $50k to $100k...but they do have other sponsorships as well. Most will be way under $50k. I think if you are looking at totals, a few will be above $100, but I doubt anyone hits even $200k.
Well its sad indeed if a top pro cant net more than $100k total.

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Re: How much do top riders make?

Postby UKSurf » Mon Jan 06, 2020 12:45 pm

Eduardo wrote:
Mon Jan 06, 2020 1:33 am
I would guestimate that outside of the top 10 there is zero or nominal income outside of expenses. And top 10 would be lucky to get $50,000 on top of that. Given the size of the market, there would be no way sponsors could pay top dollar. also, it's not clear kiting sales are heavily influenced by pros. yes, they all need some good videos to sell the latest products. but it's not like a football star endorsing a product.

The big $ would be owning a kite company (Pete, Robby, ...) or being popular enough that your name on t-shirts can sell (mostly surfers here...).
It would be interesting to know how much Robby Naish is worth. Certainly the richest kitesurfer/windsurfer of all time (who made their money in the industry). I wouldnt be surprised if his net worth wasnt over 10 million

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Re: How much do top riders make?

Postby Havre » Mon Jan 06, 2020 12:56 pm

USD63m according to Forbes - and I still have no idea how to correctly pronounce his name.

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Re: How much do top riders make?

Postby pj sofine » Mon Jan 06, 2020 2:39 pm

With all the former "pro riders" out there I'm surprised that they wouldn't give some info, it's not like its some national secret !
Or maybe they don't come to this forum, not sure what the % of kiters even know or care about KF. I knew a couple but not in touch with them anymore, they were the kids who rode for a team for a couple years ,then moved on to college or careers.

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Re: How much do top riders make?

Postby Toby » Mon Jan 06, 2020 2:43 pm

Maybe not allowed to say anything...

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Re: How much do top riders make?

Postby tautologies » Mon Jan 06, 2020 7:51 pm

pj sofine wrote:
Mon Jan 06, 2020 2:39 pm
With all the former "pro riders" out there I'm surprised that they wouldn't give some info, it's not like its some national secret !
Or maybe they don't come to this forum, not sure what the % of kiters even know or care about KF. I knew a couple but not in touch with them anymore, they were the kids who rode for a team for a couple years ,then moved on to college or careers.
Former pros...well I guess the ones of them still in the industry could probably say something, but most of them I believe were barely paid..I mean at the level where they could survive.

Look, we have to understand how small industry this is. Most brands sell maybe a few thousand kites per year. The margins aren't exceptional. They are okay if they sell direct, but because very few have figured out a way to do direct only, the way is still keeping the business model of distributors and dealers. You have to stay very lean when that is the case. That will be felt through the whole corporate structure.

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Re: How much do top riders make?

Postby UKSurf » Mon Jan 06, 2020 9:08 pm

tautologies wrote:
Mon Jan 06, 2020 7:51 pm
pj sofine wrote:
Mon Jan 06, 2020 2:39 pm
With all the former "pro riders" out there I'm surprised that they wouldn't give some info, it's not like its some national secret !
Or maybe they don't come to this forum, not sure what the % of kiters even know or care about KF. I knew a couple but not in touch with them anymore, they were the kids who rode for a team for a couple years ,then moved on to college or careers.
Former pros...well I guess the ones of them still in the industry could probably say something, but most of them I believe were barely paid..I mean at the level where they could survive.

Look, we have to understand how small industry this is. Most brands sell maybe a few thousand kites per year. The margins aren't exceptional. They are okay if they sell direct, but because very few have figured out a way to do direct only, the way is still keeping the business model of distributors and dealers. You have to stay very lean when that is the case. That will be felt through the whole corporate structure.
I think the top pro's in kitesurfing should be paid more what ever way you look at it. There are over a million kitesurfers in the world. If Kevin Langeree or Aaron Hadlow are really earning 30k a year and the top ten surfers are all earning millions then something is not adding up.


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