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Re: Red Bull King of the Air 2020 - all info here

Postby Toby » Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:48 pm

Progressing well ? Hahahaha, good one.

If Janek would have ridden we would have seen a lot of new tricks, due to handle.

I saw half of the comp and saw 3 new tricks.
Two of them because of handle.

You are always complaining about all, how about do something better?

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Re: Red Bull King of the Air 2020 - all info here

Postby Surfkiternew » Mon Feb 10, 2020 2:31 pm

I think it is right to leave to the competitors the decision on what to use .. they will adapt according to the criteria established for the scores .. now almost nobody uses the boots for example ..but maybe they change again in the future...
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Re: Red Bull King of the Air 2020 - all info here

Postby POACHER » Mon Feb 10, 2020 5:07 pm

Who cares about the handle thing? Really. Or if you have a grip placed on your toeside edge. This comp is scored on big air, board offs, variations and extremity. The handle hate is old school from the wakestyle crap from years ago. Let it go.

Loved seeing Airton compete, but have to agree it might need a separate comp. The stuff he is pulling is mind blowing strapless, and I get it the judges can't award him extra points for not using straps. Super talented rider. Would be funny if he rode a strapped surf board next year. (and won.)


Angely looked the business with that first jump. I think that crash rang her bell. I do think she's capable of riding with the guys given some more training. She looked less out of place than that Louis from Cabarete. That poor guy looked like he was going to die out there.

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Re: Red Bull King of the Air 2020 - all info here

Postby Toby » Mon Feb 10, 2020 6:04 pm

Well said !

Yes, would be interesting to see Airton with straps and what he would do. Would add to the show...since these guys are showmen.

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Re: Red Bull King of the Air 2020 - all info here

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Re: Red Bull King of the Air 2020 - all info here

Postby prop_joe » Mon Feb 10, 2020 6:20 pm

Toby wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:14 am
No handle, no progression.
Ban boots in freestyle is equivalent.
No it isn't, they are not comparable. I thought i already explained this to you.

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Re: Red Bull King of the Air 2020 - all info here

Postby prop_joe » Mon Feb 10, 2020 7:08 pm

Toby wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:48 pm
If Janek would have ridden we would have seen a lot of new tricks, due to handle.

I saw half of the comp and saw 3 new tricks.
Two of them because of handle.
If it can only be done using a handle then it's not a kiteboarding trick and shouldn't count imo.
POACHER wrote: Who cares about the handle thing? Really. Or if you have a grip placed on your toeside edge. This comp is scored on big air, board offs, variations and extremity. The handle hate is old school from the wakestyle crap from years ago. Let it go.
Progression naturally slows as sports mature and the level gets harder. Adding a handle to make things easier is just a bit... meh... lame? It's too gimmicky for me. It's not a kitesurfing trick, you just happen to be kiting while doing it. You'd probably get more training done hanging from a tree just dicking round with your board than being out on the water. I only mean comps, do what you like freeride. Don't think anyones bothered by a sneaking bit of grip tape along the edge, nothing fundamental.

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Re: Red Bull King of the Air 2020 - all info here

Postby longwhitecloud » Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:57 pm

Toby wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:48 pm
Progressing well ? Hahahaha, good one.

If Janek would have ridden we would have seen a lot of new tricks, due to handle.

I saw half of the comp and saw 3 new tricks.
Two of them because of handle.

You are always complaining about all, how about do something better?
It seems ridiculous to run competitions with such variation in the equipment that aids and also confuses scoring in something with already high levels of judge ambiguity when you consider this equipment makes tricks far easier or in the case of the handle and far harder in the case of a strapless surfboard. The use of boots clearly is a disadvantage no doubt in the scoring system with the overall impression score


Strapless surfboard

Handle

Being able to ride both boots and straps, even in the same heat.

I have done a lot of competing and some judging, I reckon I am in a good position to have a respected opinion even if you don't agree.

Do some unhooking and kiteloops and post it up, i'll put a handle on my board, do some board offs and post them up.


On the flip side everyone could use a handle - level judging field, but it seems that isn't going to happen.

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Re: Red Bull King of the Air 2020 - all info here

Postby kjorn » Tue Feb 11, 2020 12:11 am

Blackened wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2020 8:23 am

6. A couple heats were crap due to wind conditions, but that's expected.
It was a real shame that the sea was so choppy. I'd prefer they went back to the beach where the rocks created a smooth section on the inside, that made it more interesting to watch. Better camera angle in previous years also.

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Re: Red Bull King of the Air 2020 - all info here

Postby Teabageppo » Tue Feb 11, 2020 5:45 am

They moved for better wind. But surely on a day blowing like that there would be enough wind at the old spot which had far better drawn out ramps. Be bloody hard logistically to do that though.

Restrictions on equipment ? Why?

It’s a showcase event it’s not a freestyle comp. it’s meant to express what the sport can do. Why limit, specialise and contract the parameters.

I don’t think some of you actually get the whole picture regarding what this event is about.

And clearly the best rider won that day so the judging however speculative in your heads must be better defined than what you think or know.
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