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Re: Introducing the World's Lightest and Strongest Kites - Aluula

Postby cor » Tue Feb 18, 2020 1:18 pm

Surfkiternew wrote:
Tue Feb 18, 2020 12:29 pm
his remains the best performing kite on the market for sure
The word "Performance" means absolutely nothing if you miss to apply characteristics to it. What exactly does that mean, "Best performing"? What characteristic(s) are you talking about? Drift? Lift? Upwind? Speed in the air? Turning speed? turning radius? Depower? Wind range? Stability?...

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Re: Introducing the World's Lightest and Strongest Kites - Aluula

Postby sq225917 » Tue Feb 18, 2020 1:23 pm

Premium kite, premium materials and premium price. Of course the best materials in the world dont suddenly turn you into the best kite designer.

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Re: Introducing the World's Lightest and Strongest Kites - Aluula

Postby Digdawg » Tue Feb 18, 2020 2:22 pm

Unless maybe you were already an exceptional kite designer...
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Re: Introducing the World's Lightest and Strongest Kites - Aluula

Postby longwhitecloud » Tue Feb 18, 2020 2:27 pm

Aww.. good margins for retailers.. the most expensive lei kites ever!

And if they make a kota kite out of this stuff and it goes higher.. imagine.. all of those extra paper rounds young riders will be doing.. like 10 years worth for one kite lol!

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Re: Introducing the World's Lightest and Strongest Kites - Aluula

Postby sq225917 » Tue Feb 18, 2020 2:31 pm

It could well be the tipping point that takes good to greatness, sure.

I havent flown an OR kite for years so I dont know. I have flown super high pressure, fancy airframe material kites though, though that was nearly 14 years

Increased price is the cost of innovation, small scale production volumes, and countless prototypes.

I'd love to see the new designs from OR do well, innovation deserves a wide audience.
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Re: Introducing the World's Lightest and Strongest Kites - Aluula

Postby foilholio » Tue Feb 18, 2020 3:09 pm

What? Profits down because less people can afford kites? Lets make more expensive kites! Good idea!
cor wrote:
Surfkiternew wrote:
Tue Feb 18, 2020 12:29 pm
his remains the best performing kite on the market for sure
The word "Performance" means absolutely nothing if you miss to apply characteristics to it. What exactly does that mean, "Best performing"? What characteristic(s) are you talking about? Drift? Lift? Upwind? Speed in the air? Turning speed? turning radius? Depower? Wind range? Stability?...
Performance for flying things is best Lift to Drag.

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Re: Introducing the World's Lightest and Strongest Kites - Aluula

Postby pmaggie » Tue Feb 18, 2020 3:20 pm

It all depends on the numbers imo. Can be a niche market with an high marginality, few pieces sold but high margin each one for OR. For the moment only OR is using Aluula. If it works (and only time and tests will tell), every other brand will come out with an Aluula model, maybe adding some (game changing :-)) features. So for OR it's probably the rigth time to pay back the rd costs before everyone is selling Aluula and prices begin to drop.
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Re: Introducing the World's Lightest and Strongest Kites - Aluula

Postby jkrug » Tue Feb 18, 2020 9:34 pm

every video i've seen is for the 10m Roam. Seems to me this isn't where most of the interest would be, since most 10m's are plenty good now. i certainly wouldn't pay double for something i'm already happy with. why no video's on 12m's (guess it would have to be the Flite)? most 12m's are horrible, so this is where improvements could be seen most easily.

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Re: Introducing the World's Lightest and Strongest Kites - Aluula

Postby Eduardo » Tue Feb 18, 2020 9:55 pm

jkrug wrote:
Tue Feb 18, 2020 9:34 pm
every video i've seen is for the 10m Roam. Seems to me this isn't where most of the interest would be, since most 10m's are plenty good now. i certainly wouldn't pay double for something i'm already happy with. why no video's on 12m's (guess it would have to be the Flite)? most 12m's are horrible, so this is where improvements could be seen most easily.
I agree. I'm VERY happy with my 9 down to pretty light winds. when it's too light for the 9 and I put up the 12, it only feels a tiny bit better and gains very little range. Right now, I only use a 12 a few times a year. A better 12 might make me put down the big money.

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Re: Introducing the World's Lightest and Strongest Kites - Aluula

Postby bragnouff » Tue Feb 18, 2020 9:59 pm

foilholio wrote:
Tue Feb 18, 2020 3:09 pm
Performance for flying things is best Lift to Drag.
But L/D is not really a metric that applies to actual kitesurfing. Some user friendliness is part of the brief. It might be the fastest, liftiest kite, but if it's a bitch to fly, overshoots, creates insane spikes of power, and some dead zones when turning, and requires constant attention from rider, then it will be a kite that sucks for 99% of the market.
Hence why it's hard to define "performance" in kitesurfing. On top of that, it's only valid in a given context. Boosting kite, wave kite, freestyle,... All those disciplines have very different concepts of performance.
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