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Question to kite experts: pimping old kites

Postby Flyingseb » Sat Mar 21, 2020 4:55 pm

Since I’ve checked my old kites, some of those I have had so much good times with, I’m thinking to give them a second chance, or even life.

My question: Is there’s a way of simply modifying kites from before 2007 (pure C kites), in order to obtain more déposer, more safety? Without the hassle of a 5th line?

Pulleys, extra bridles,...?

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Re: Question to kite experts: pimping old kites

Postby Toby » Sat Mar 21, 2020 4:59 pm

Use a longer depower 😉

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Re: Question to kite experts: pimping old kites

Postby edt » Sat Mar 21, 2020 5:00 pm

No.

If you look at what Singshot did to the fuel in hmm around 2018? They added a bridle but it actually made it fly worse. A C kite can't really be moded so that it has more depower other than using a 5th line. 5th line works pretty well but it's still a C kite. Use a modern control bar the original control bars on those kites aren't safe.

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Re: Question to kite experts: pimping old kites

Postby SENDIT! » Sat Mar 21, 2020 5:49 pm

Back a few years ago, against the advice of pretty much anyone that I talked to, I completely rebuilt my 2004 Naish X4's (12 and 16). I took them out for a couple of passes and came in super disappointed. It was sort of like seeing your old hot girlfriend from high school gained a ton of weight! :cry: :lol:

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Re: Question to kite experts: pimping old kites

Postby BWD » Sat Mar 21, 2020 5:55 pm

The old fuels did very well with 5th compared to without it. Really extended range and helped upwind a bit. Spaghetti potential in wipeouts was not fun though.
Some old C kites did well with 5th, some not. If you have one that could benefit it is cheap and easy to see if you like it. Running the lines is a pain, though. They can braid themselves much more.
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Re: Question to kite experts: pimping old kites

Postby marlboroughman » Sat Mar 21, 2020 7:37 pm

Don't take fifth line off. Make sure it is adjusted properly. Kite at 12 pull the bar all the way in. The fifth should have just a hair more slack than fronts, then it works like a bridle or even better than some early ones. By doing this you will get the most out of them and once that's perfect you could play with more depower.

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Re: Question to kite experts: pimping old kites

Postby caduo » Sat Mar 21, 2020 9:00 pm

i really doubt that you can modified any of these old c kite,it s all about the shape of the kite

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Re: Question to kite experts: pimping old kites

Postby Flyingseb » Sat Mar 21, 2020 9:11 pm

Toby wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 4:59 pm
Use a longer depower 😉
Unfortunately, that would have been too easy
These kites had a very limited depower throw, adding any longer has no effect at all.
Surprising is also to see how short the trim range is, compared to now

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Re: Question to kite experts: pimping old kites

Postby Flyingseb » Sat Mar 21, 2020 9:23 pm

caduo wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 9:00 pm
i really doubt that you can modified any of these old c kite,it s all about the shape of the kite
That is partly true, their design were not meant to accommodate any bridle modification.
But knowledge was also much less then.

Back then, I think depower efficiency was like 30%: from 70% to 100%
Nowadays, probably close or bigger than 80% for most kites: from 20% to 100%

If I could get 50% efficiency with my old kites, I would be happy

Using their original bars is out of question, off course

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Re: Question to kite experts: pimping old kites

Postby Toby » Sat Mar 21, 2020 9:50 pm

Flyingseb wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 9:11 pm
Toby wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 4:59 pm
Use a longer depower 😉
Unfortunately, that would have been too easy
These kites had a very limited depower throw, adding any longer has no effect at all.
Surprising is also to see how short the trim range is, compared to now
I always used a long depower...and therefore always had a bigger range than others...


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