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Re: Adaption to smaller size kite

Postby plummet » Sun Mar 22, 2020 5:55 pm

Its just ride time. Get out there and spend time on it. If possible that is! 6m weather isn't around that much.

Hands in the middle of the bar helps particularly when not turn.

I'm generally am the other way round. I ride small kites a lot. Then when I get back on the big kites, I'm like What is this slow piece of shit.

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Re: Adaption to smaller size kite

Postby Herman » Sun Mar 22, 2020 6:24 pm

vela99 wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 10:26 am

Given I use the same bar I use for my 11m but with the narrow setting, I think the bar throw is too long.
Chances are you will not need all the bar throw for the 6m but this is not a problem, you just need to trim for where you want it to work. If you like to have it far away from your body you may need to put in a stopper above the chicken loop if you can't handle the oversheeting/backstall that would be available but you will get used to it as previously mentioned. It would be unusual to use a bottom stopper with modern kites.

Another problem may arise if you have got into the habit of riding your big kites powered and letting your bar rest on the bottom of the trim strap, this may not be sensible for small kites.

Personally, for my 6m I have a massive bar throw so that the leash is virtually redundant. Also makes it easy to tether launch and is more or less guaranteed max depower if I release the bar. I don't trim on the fly because I always have the full working sheeting range on the bar. But I do trim this positcion on the pigtails for the conditions of the day. However you do have to learn to spin the bar without releasing it.

PS non of this is a big deal, you can just get on with your current set up and let your own preferences develop naturally.
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Re: Adaption to smaller size kite

Postby Matteo V » Sun Mar 22, 2020 7:00 pm

plummet wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 5:55 pm
I'm generally am the other way round. I ride small kites a lot. Then when I get back on the big kites, I'm like What is this slow piece of shit.
Most kiters have an issue with this. But at its root, it is completely psychological. A small kite is fast enough to redirect almost as fast as you. So you tune your self to the kite speed. Mid-range kites from 10 to 14 m, operate at about 1/3 the speed which you can. So every redirect is preceded by a relatively fast setup and planning stage. Large kites from 15 to 21 m, operate at 1/6 to 1/8 the speed at which you can move. So every redirect is preceded by an even slower tempo set up.

The key to using small kites if you use big kites mostly, is just focusing on one thing or movement or trick with each kite movement.

The key to using big kites if you normally use small kites, is to try to do a few things inside of each movement of the kite.

This is hard for people to wrap their heads around on this on the water because it takes completely switching gears when the wind speed is significantly different than what you are used to. Everyone is resistant to switching gears, but some people never push themselves to be able to actually do it, since it takes a bit of commitment. But inside of each wind speed, is a whole different world where you can do things that you can't do (in the same manner) at other wind speeds.
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Re: Adaption to smaller size kite

Postby knotwindy » Sun Mar 22, 2020 7:19 pm

Also, the water conditions usually change considerably with wind speed so certain things are more fun with different wind, kite & water conditions. I don’t want to do the same tricks or riding as the conditions change. Embrace and abide.

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Re: Adaption to smaller size kite

Postby iriejohn » Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:37 am

Matteo V wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 7:00 pm
plummet wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 5:55 pm
I'm generally am the other way round. I ride small kites a lot. Then when I get back on the big kites, I'm like What is this slow piece of shit.
Most kiters have an issue with this. But at its root, it is completely psychological. A small kite is fast enough to redirect almost as fast as you. So you tune your self to the kite speed. Mid-range kites from 10 to 14 m, operate at about 1/3 the speed which you can. So every redirect is preceded by a relatively fast setup and planning stage. Large kites from 15 to 21 m, operate at 1/6 to 1/8 the speed at which you can move. So every redirect is preceded by an even slower tempo set up.

The key to using small kites if you use big kites mostly, is just focusing on one thing or movement or trick with each kite movement.

The key to using big kites if you normally use small kites, is to try to do a few things inside of each movement of the kite.

This is hard for people to wrap their heads around on this on the water because it takes completely switching gears when the wind speed is significantly different than what you are used to. Everyone is resistant to switching gears, but some people never push themselves to be able to actually do it, since it takes a bit of commitment. But inside of each wind speed, is a whole different world where you can do things that you can't do (in the same manner) at other wind speeds.

Speaking for yourself, perhaps?

I've been using my 6m on most rideable days this winter but last week used my 12m for the first time for several months. It requires a mind change, of course, but that is all it is. Of course it's like a truck compared to a 6m, but that's in the nature of the beast.

Simples [sic].

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Re: Adaption to smaller size kite

Postby vela99 » Mon Mar 23, 2020 12:56 pm

Thanks again to all, I like the hint on moving the kite allowing to even out the lack of grunt.

Intuitively this and being more delicate on the bar should do.

I am generally quite agressive moving the kite but may have been more careful on my first 6m sessions then I was aware.

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Re: Adaption to smaller size kite

Postby plummet » Tue Mar 24, 2020 7:12 pm

On the technique side of things you need to change your mindset from park and ride to working the kite for power.

This is the key difference. Go out underpowered an loop the shit out the kite. Work it HARD. Wang it around and just get used to the power spikes and kite speed. You can even do this on the beach in light winds.

Once you can skud yourself down the beach without stopping looping and signing the kite to generate power you are pretty much on top of small kite flying.

Personally, I love small kites. You can be soooo much more precise with flying them. Particularly for wave riding where fast direction changes happen often. The small kite allows you to far greater accuracy to get the kite where you want.


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