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Re: Corona Virus - Has your country banned kitesurfing?

Postby knotwindy » Fri Mar 27, 2020 6:39 pm

Sorry, stated differently to help clarify:

It’s cute you think it can be controlled or people have the abilities to foresee what will be the long term effects of our actions or inaction. Unintended consequences are inevitable. It will most likely take a higher level of intelligence than that which created this problem to solve it. Just my opinion that we as a people love to interfere with the crap we create to “help” fix it.

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Re: Corona Virus - Has your country banned kitesurfing?

Postby Trent hink » Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:06 pm

Farr's law will apply, no doubt. So it will be self-regulating to some extent.

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Re: Corona Virus - Has your country banned kitesurfing?

Postby plummet » Fri Mar 27, 2020 9:24 pm

knotwindy wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 3:51 pm
Relax boys, Darwin or god is sorting it out already.
You have very little say in it. But it’s cute you think you can control things.
Did you hear about the dyslexic, agnostic, insomniac?

He Stayed up all night wondering if there was a dog!
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Re: Corona Virus - Has your country banned kitesurfing?

Postby kiteykitekite » Fri Mar 27, 2020 9:42 pm

All while collapsing society in doing so....

but yes we can control viruses and diseases like we can control most all life on the planet. I would argue that viruses can be beneficial or negative. This virus appears that had it natural run it's coarse it would have been beneficial, unburdening us from those that are GDP negative. Instead we are destroying, collapsing society, and severely reducing GDP to prevent what would have been a GDP increasing event of the virus wiping out those that are GDP negative. The interesting fact is by doing what we have done we have also reduced our ability to support those GDP negative people, and reduced our ability to fight the virus and increased the length and threat of the virus.

So instead of isolating just those at highest risk, the smart thing to do, we are proceeding to isolate all of society. The idiocy of this strategy is about to be shown for a second time. It was shown first in China.
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Re: Corona Virus - Has your country banned kitesurfing?

Postby purdyd » Sat Mar 28, 2020 3:59 am

What we can control is our personal actions.

From the governor of New York today.
My second point is, you are living a moment in history. This is going to be one of those moments they are going to write about and they're going to talk about for generations. This is a moment that is going to change this nation. This is a moment that forges character, forges people, changes people, make them stronger, make them weaker. But this is a moment that will change character.

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Re: Corona Virus - Has your country banned kitesurfing?

Postby knotwindy » Sat Mar 28, 2020 4:31 am

Stress doesn’t make or build character, it exposes it.

Going to hell in a bucket but at least we’re enjoying the ride. GD

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Re: Corona Virus - Has your country banned kitesurfing?

Postby deniska » Sat Mar 28, 2020 5:56 am

blackswan wrote:
Wed Mar 25, 2020 2:22 am
Southeast Florida here, beaches are closed. Not a huge amount if wind anyway so I haven't tried to see how "closed" they really are.
Northeast Florida (st Johns county) is still open for beach goers or kiters.. They closed the parking lots to the beaches but if you are creative and willing to walk quarter to half mile or drive a little, there are plenty of opportunities.. I see woo posts from my NYC buddies, so my guess is that no one cares if people kite there as long as they don't end up in a hospitals...
If it helps them to keep sanity - it's all good.

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Re: Corona Virus - Has your country banned kitesurfing?

Postby Pemba » Sat Mar 28, 2020 7:40 am

kiteykitekite wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 9:42 pm
All while collapsing society in doing so....

but yes we can control viruses and diseases like we can control most all life on the planet. I would argue that viruses can be beneficial or negative. This virus appears that had it natural run it's coarse it would have been beneficial, unburdening us from those that are GDP negative. Instead we are destroying, collapsing society, and severely reducing GDP to prevent what would have been a GDP increasing event of the virus wiping out those that are GDP negative. The interesting fact is by doing what we have done we have also reduced our ability to support those GDP negative people, and reduced our ability to fight the virus and increased the length and threat of the virus.

So instead of isolating just those at highest risk, the smart thing to do, we are proceeding to isolate all of society. The idiocy of this strategy is about to be shown for a second time. It was shown first in China.
Haha that's a funny one, the "GDP negative people". Next thing would be that we rank the help people get or not according to their GDP positiveness. ICU only for those with GDP positiveness above X with X depending on the number of ventilators. The bigger the crisis, the more people start dropping off the list of those that can be helped. GDP is king. But it actually starts to sound a bit like what would probably happen in a stressed communist country to me, maybe like North Korea. It might be a practical solution to the problems in terms of GDP, but otherwise (socially etc) it would be totally unacceptable in the first world. To me it still sounds that we should have just done whatever they did in Taiwan and South Korea, at least paid a bit more attention. It doesn't sound like whatever they did impacted GDP in the same way it it has in the US and Europe. And on top of that fewer people died there as well !

It's a pity that all "the news" seems to be reporting on is the total number of (new) cases and total number of (new) deaths. Never any percentages and rarely in context with previous days which would give you an idea of "where we are" on this curve.

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Re: Corona Virus - Has your country banned kitesurfing?

Postby downunder » Sat Mar 28, 2020 10:45 am

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Re: Corona Virus - Has your country banned kitesurfing?

Postby kiteykitekite » Sat Mar 28, 2020 2:23 pm

Pemba wrote: Haha that's a funny one, the "GDP negative people". Next thing would be that we rank the help people get or not according to their GDP positiveness. ICU only for those with GDP positiveness above X with X depending on the number of ventilators. The bigger the crisis, the more people start dropping off the list of those that can be helped. GDP is king. But it actually starts to sound a bit like what would probably happen in a stressed communist country to me, maybe like North Korea. It might be a practical solution to the problems in terms of GDP, but otherwise (socially etc) it would be totally unacceptable in the first world. To me it still sounds that we should have just done whatever they did in Taiwan and South Korea, at least paid a bit more attention. It doesn't sound like whatever they did impacted GDP in the same way it it has in the US and Europe. And on top of that fewer people died there as well !

It's a pity that all "the news" seems to be reporting on is the total number of (new) cases and total number of (new) deaths. Never any percentages and rarely in context with previous days which would give you an idea of "where we are" on this curve.
We already rank people by how much they contribute to GDP, it's called money. We also already have medical systems that will only treat if you pay and plenty that prioritize based on how much you will pay. This is not a function of socialist or communism but capitalism. Medical systems that treat everyone are not capitalist but socialist. But even socialist health care will make choices base on an individuals worth to society, refusing some treatments past a certain age or as is being discovered in Italy refusing any treatment for some people when the system is overwhelmed.

Socialism is an interesting system. Don't think it has ever really worked out. The problem is those that take seek more and more till the burden is too high and the amount of people that get taken from gets too few. The system ends up collapsing, becomes unworkable. It makes perfect sense why that should happen, because it is so far removed from natural law. In nature if you don't pull your weight, make a mistake or become sick, then that's it, your dead. I am not saying that is something to be admired, but it is the condition that allowed us and everything else to exist. Do you think given that is what formed us would it be wise to completely undo or counter act it?

Taiwan does seem to have done something right, but then there is other Asian countries with few cases who are just not testing really at all. I think masks played a big part. I think reacting to it earlier did also. The problem though is with no immunity, they are susceptible at any point to another outbreak. The first suppression event on the virus, with lock downs etc, is already predicted to have cost as much had we done nothing. Given the small scale of spread with no large amount of immunity this could easily be repeated 100's of times, but by about the 4 times most of society would collapse or at least a coup or revolution would occur. So you had better hope if you liked life before then some other strategy is adopted.


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