I think it is a good idea and I’ve used bars like that. But there are times if you grab the bar wrong and then feel it is backwards, it is too late.knotwindy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 10:56 pmI had a bar that was slightly oblong/out of round so as soon as you grabbed it you knew by how it fit in your fingers whether it was right way or backwards without even looking at all. Really worked well & I liked it a lot. Also, made just holding the bar while riding more comfortable. Anyone else tried this?
That much was obvious from yuor first posts Dave.
I thought this was clear?sq225917 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 4:41 pmThat much was obvious from yuor first posts Dave.
So having done hundreds of tests, you must have an idea is 15 is less than 17?
The actuation and force measurement systems are considerably different between ISO 21853 and AFNOR meaning the pass/fail load limits are not directly comparable.
That could certainly be done and likely has been.sq225917 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 7:28 pmI think that's as clear as mud, pure obscurification. Especially if he's done 'hundreds of tests'.
You take as many Afnor designed bars and as many ISO designed bars as you can find and you test them all under both testing standards. Then you crunch the results to see if there's a correlation between Afnor and ISO bars with regards to lowest release force. It's a moderate statistical challenge to find the standard deviation for each regime and pronounce a winner.
Having read the specs I'll settle for my initial presumption.
I think your question was unclear, but you did clarify what you were asking for.ISO21853 is by no means easy (or easier than AFNOR) to pass,
So about 20 Newton’s or roughly 2 kg difference but I’m not sure of the load,sets the standard for maximum release force (equal to or less than 170N) and opening time (equal to or less than 2 seconds) of quick-release systems under different standardized conditions like
water with and without sand
dry and clean conditions
dry sand
cold and wet conditions
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