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Re: North Launches The Reach

Postby jkrug » Wed Oct 14, 2020 1:08 pm

TheJoe wrote:
Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:19 am
Are you trying to go out in the very bottom of their low end? Maybe the wind is less on the water. What size lines you using? I'm using 20m so there is a little less drag from that. Are you inland or ocean, humid or dry air. Just trying to figure out what could be this issue.
12-20 mph on a foil is not the low end of a 9M. it's closer to the high end, at least near the 20 side. standard line length. ocean. humid. yesterday was flat seas, so i don't mind being a bit overpowered on a foil with that. but when we get waves, i want to be a bit underpowered while foiling. this is what worries me about the Reach. if these kites only behave well at their top end, it means foiling with waves with them won't be doable. the one time it back stalled yesterday was near shore and wind was funkiest...perhaps going offshore a bit. it came all the way down to the water, and wouldn't relaunch. so that tells me the wind was definitely funky there.

i'm not trying to disparage these kites; i want them to work for me. Yesterday the 9M was great for 99% of the time. maybe i just need to get more accustomed to them...which i think i am. I'm just surprised i'm having this issue with both my 7 and 9, while no one else is. i also fly Ozone Alphas in 12m and 16m, and have no issue back stalling with them.

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Re: North Launches The Reach

Postby huge » Wed Oct 14, 2020 2:52 pm

jkrug wrote:
Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:26 pm
my bar and lines are almost brand new, so the bar isn't a problem. i was out today again foiling, and it was in the 12-20 mph range. it was probably my best session so far on the 9M, and it only back stalled once. the odd part about these back stalls is that they're very difficult to recover from, i.e., once the kite starts drifting down to the water, even though i'm pulling/pumping like crazy on the front lines, it's tough to keep it out of the water. looping would be better, but i keep thinking it'll come back up...and then it's too late to loop. so i got to figure out how best to handle this aspect of the kite. when it's not back stalling, it really is a fun kite.
usually to recover from a backstall you should just let go of the bar to let the kite breath and it will climb back up at 12

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Re: North Launches The Reach

Postby mattaiken MYS NKB » Wed Oct 14, 2020 5:13 pm

jkrug wrote:
Wed Oct 14, 2020 1:08 pm
TheJoe wrote:
Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:19 am
Are you trying to go out in the very bottom of their low end? Maybe the wind is less on the water. What size lines you using? I'm using 20m so there is a little less drag from that. Are you inland or ocean, humid or dry air. Just trying to figure out what could be this issue.
12-20 mph on a foil is not the low end of a 9M. it's closer to the high end, at least near the 20 side. standard line length. ocean. humid. yesterday was flat seas, so i don't mind being a bit overpowered on a foil with that. but when we get waves, i want to be a bit underpowered while foiling. this is what worries me about the Reach. if these kites only behave well at their top end, it means foiling with waves with them won't be doable. the one time it back stalled yesterday was near shore and wind was funkiest...perhaps going offshore a bit. it came all the way down to the water, and wouldn't relaunch. so that tells me the wind was definitely funky there.

i'm not trying to disparage these kites; i want them to work for me. Yesterday the 9M was great for 99% of the time. maybe i just need to get more accustomed to them...which i think i am. I'm just surprised i'm having this issue with both my 7 and 9, while no one else is. i also fly Ozone Alphas in 12m and 16m, and have no issue back stalling with them.
If I can ask are you using a North bar? I'm asking as I find this kite extremely hard to make back stall. Especially for a 9m in 12-20. I'm not doubting you, I'm just wondering if your front lines are a bit long?

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Re: North Launches The Reach

Postby windsuks » Wed Oct 14, 2020 7:38 pm

This video was from last week and features a lot of the Reach, we have a lot of very happy/satisfied customers riding the Reach (plus Carve/Orbit) here and genuinely have not seen or heard of this behaviour and I really hope you get to the bottom of what is causing it.


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Re: North Launches The Reach

Postby TheJoe » Wed Oct 14, 2020 11:11 pm

I'm a little bit lighter than you and I would say for me the low end of the 9m is about 13mph for our very humid winds. This is saying it is pretty stable and not dropping below that for to long. I'm riding a moses 633/438 in flat water. I would agree if your trying to ride waves then you would have a lot more of an issue with the kite back stalling. At the low end it very easy to run the drift of the kite. Maybe a strutless or foil kite might be better for you.

I got the Reach because I want to do everything with out having 3 quivers. It is a matter of trade offs in the end.


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