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has anyone changed their neo to knots, not pullies

Postby longwhitecloud » Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:10 am

i been trying out Neos for a few weeks now , good upwind and good power in more moderate conditions but the delay in turning from the pullies (10m) does my head in, i am almost always yanking on leader lines to keep the kite super low and back in the window when wave riding.

It is like the kite is on an elastic band that takes time to kick in.
Anyway maybe I should just tie a knot and see what happens!?\ :-0

i also made a lower v than the standard bar and liked it more... work in progress tho..

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Re: has anyone changed their neo to knots, not pullies

Postby vela99 » Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:32 am

Hi


Most likely you are much more an expert than I am, so you may want to ignore my remarks.

If the designers decided to use a pulley it is probably because they saw an advantage for the line to slide in certain conditions.

From the theoretical point of view it seems to make sense to use a knot instead for a much more direct response to steering input. What is not clear to me is what the theoretical trade off would be. For sure you lose performance somewhere.

I would be curious to learn more about this trade off.

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Re: has anyone changed their neo to knots, not pullies

Postby salvino » Thu Apr 23, 2020 2:29 pm

Interesting that you have moved to low V assuming from the recommended Y.

I have had years experience on Neos and every time I switched from Y to V I noticed a lack of crispness in the turning response.

Also curious for what happens if pulleys eliminated

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Re: has anyone changed their neo to knots, not pullies

Postby purdyd » Thu Apr 23, 2020 2:43 pm

longwhitecloud wrote:
Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:10 am
i been trying out Neos for a few weeks now , good upwind and good power in more moderate conditions but the delay in turning from the pullies (10m) does my head in, i am almost always yanking on leader lines to keep the kite super low and back in the window when wave riding.

It is like the kite is on an elastic band that takes time to kick in.
Anyway maybe I should just tie a knot and see what happens!?\ :-0

i also made a lower v than the standard bar and liked it more... work in progress tho..
It has been a couple years but I always thought that elastic band feeling was from the rear bridle. There is literally an elastic band and a vee.

Just a thought.

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Re: has anyone changed their neo to knots, not pullies

Postby vela99 » Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:53 pm

I owe three Neos, 11, 8 and 6 and find them quite direct and fast in their steering response.

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Re: has anyone changed their neo to knots, not pullies

Postby hasnain » Thu Apr 23, 2020 9:20 pm

There is much better kites than Neos.

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Re: has anyone changed their neo to knots, not pullies

Postby longwhitecloud » Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:24 pm

vela99 wrote:
Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:53 pm
I owe three Neos, 11, 8 and 6 and find them quite direct and fast in their steering response.
They initially turn fairly quickly first few degrees but then when trying to get them low and deep in the window (specifically for wave riding) it seems to get less responsive /direct feel /delay /spongy - hence i have to grab the leader lines to turn it faster so i dont end up getting drilled in the impact zone.


Consider i come from 20 years of fixed line kites.

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Re: has anyone changed their neo to knots, not pullies

Postby vela99 » Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:00 pm

longwhitecloud wrote:
Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:24 pm
vela99 wrote:
Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:53 pm
I owe three Neos, 11, 8 and 6 and find them quite direct and fast in their steering response.
They initially turn fairly quickly first few degrees but then when trying to get them low and deep in the window (specifically for wave riding) it seems to get less responsive /direct feel /delay /spongy - hence i have to grab the leader lines to turn it faster so i dont end up getting drilled in the impact zone.


Consider i come from 20 years of fixed line kites.
Ok, you are much more experienced than I am.

Nevertheless, I know the feeling you describe above about loss of responsiveness lower and deeper in the window but always thought this is related to the fact I am travelling at relatively high speed towards the kite lowering the tension significantly thus reducing the responsiveness. From your answers I deduct now that this was not as much the case with other kites you flew before. Interesting.

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Re: has anyone changed their neo to knots, not pullies

Postby vela99 » Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:06 pm

hasnain wrote:
Thu Apr 23, 2020 9:20 pm
There is much better kites than Neos.

Ok, in your opinion for allround wave riding, (onshore, sideshore side off, big, small etc) which models and which specific traits please?

This is a bit off toppic but I am interested to know for future decisions on kites. High level would be enough if you do not mind. Thanks up front.
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Re: has anyone changed their neo to knots, not pullies

Postby knotwindy » Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:08 pm

Are you going to try a ‘movable’ knot initially to determine where to tie it or just lock it against the pulley and see how much the depower changes? Curious as to where to set it.


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