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Are Carbon Bars worth the extra price?

Postby jadog » Fri May 01, 2020 6:21 pm

Hi. I'm looking at possibly buying a Carbon bar and am wondering if it's worth the additional over my comparably heavy Slingshot Sentinel bar. The Groove Carbon bars (https://www.groovekiteboards.it/system-bar-2/) look nice and are very minimalistic but are a bit expensive at around $600 complete with lines. I've seen them sell for half of that used. Do any of you guys use them and would you recommend them?

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Re: Are Carbon Bars worth the extra price?

Postby jakemoore » Fri May 01, 2020 6:30 pm

I'm hooked on the carbon bars. I think it's more the lack of BS than the light weight.

I'm using PKS Kiss bars and doing my own leaders.

It seems like the foam grips they put on bars are getting more ridiculous every year and the foam eventually gets torn up. I think its going to be more cost effective in the long run by avoiding foam bar ends that get damaged and can't easily be replaced.

I would probably stick with a main-stream manufacturer metal center bar if I was doing unhooked tricks. But then I would also probably need metal core knees and ankles from a major manufacturer as well.

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Re: Are Carbon Bars worth the extra price?

Postby jumptheshark » Fri May 01, 2020 7:01 pm

Lots of bars can be stripped down and reconfigured to be very light and simple... on the cheap.

I have a few bws bars where the CL unit was like a hunk of lead! The bar itself though is really light. Stripped down and rigged as a trim less BRM type set up they are soooo great.

Find any light bar and you can easily set it up to your taste. With or without trim.
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Re: Are Carbon Bars worth the extra price?

Postby iriejohn » Fri May 01, 2020 7:37 pm

jumptheshark wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 7:01 pm
Lots of bars can be stripped down and reconfigured to be very light and simple... on the cheap.

I have a few bws bars where the CL unit was like a hunk of lead! The bar itself though is really light. Stripped down and rigged as a trim less BRM type set up they are soooo great.

Find any light bar and you can easily set it up to your taste. With or without trim.
Agreed. Take off the QR/CL which weighs a ton then you can take off the then redundant floats. Rocket science. Not.

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Re: Are Carbon Bars worth the extra price?

Postby Frankieboy » Fri May 01, 2020 8:04 pm

Doesn't need to be more expensive...

To me it make sense for foiling because you ride underpowered and appreciate light equipment.

For kiting I stick to a regular bar with CL

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Re: Are Carbon Bars worth the extra price?

Postby Jyoder » Fri May 01, 2020 10:19 pm

Do you loop the kite a lot? Spin the bar and let go to unspin the lines? Kite one handed a lot? If yes, then the lighter bar just feels great! The lack of floats or junk on the steering lines means less weird line movement with slacked or lightly powered lines. Less stuff to get tangled on when you’re in the water, especially when swimming up to reset a twisted foil kite. Smooth sliding of the hand from center to bar ends.

Just feels good man, but I made my own, so cost isn’t a barrier. I don’t know if it’s worth $600 for the above.

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Re: Are Carbon Bars worth the extra price?

Postby Foil » Sat May 02, 2020 8:20 am

kiting now for 20 years.
in that time the bar end has twice hit me hard on my eye socket, resulting in a big black eye for weeks of ribbing at work which was painful in itself.
both impacts where after a heavy fall forwards, one in shallow water on a Ttip board, the other a few years back when learning on my foil board.
some carbon bars come with rubber ends, some don't.
twice in 20 years is still a risk.
I would love a fuss free carbon bar, had my hands on a few, the groove one feels great, and i don't seem to need a depower pull anymore, my foil kites fly on one setting for me, which is weird but great news for me if I do swap over to a depower free system.
just need to go for it,
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Re: Are Carbon Bars worth the extra price?

Postby jadog » Sat May 02, 2020 4:34 pm

Thanks for the thoughts. I will be using the bar for more than foiling, but I'm a small rider, so I think that breaking the bar would be unlikely even when jumping. I won't be doing any unhooked riding. I love the idea of having a depower free bar but that will also mean a longer throw and I have short arms. Have you guys seen the Pintxo bar? See here: https://en.kauper-xt.com/bar.

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The depower is especially interesting as it adjusts on the back lines instead of the usual clam-cleat. There is a video on their website showing more details on how the depower adjustments work.

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Re: Are Carbon Bars worth the extra price?

Postby Frankieboy » Sat May 02, 2020 6:36 pm

yes I use this bar for foiling only.

check out the threat about this bar to find its benefits and limitations

viewtopic.php?f=196&t=2403644

If you want my opinion: brilliant design, very light and minimalistic. 2 problems: teflon tube is fragile (turning the bar and pulling at the same time + damaging the tube when rolling lines /tube when packing) and depower doesn't work without a lot of tension in the backlines.
Still like it a lot for foiling.I recommend it but be aware of the downsides.
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Re: Are Carbon Bars worth the extra price?

Postby jadog » Sat May 02, 2020 10:27 pm

Frankieboy wrote:
Sat May 02, 2020 6:36 pm
yes I use this bar for foiling only.

check out the threat about this bar to find its benefits and limitations

viewtopic.php?f=196&t=2403644

If you want my opinion: brilliant design, very light and minimalistic. 2 problems: teflon tube is fragile (turning the bar and pulling at the same time + damaging the tube when rolling lines /tube when packing) and depower doesn't work without a lot of tension in the backlines.
Still like it a lot for foiling.I recommend it but be aware of the downsides.
Great support from Rainer if any problem.
When you say "depower doesn't work without a lot of tension in the backlines" do you mean the back line trim adjustment?

Also, I would like to build my own bar as some suggested. I don't want a chickenloop, but instead the ring style like this bar has.

And do you like the backline trim more or prefer the clam-cleat? I have short arms so this is attractive to me.


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