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Re: Naish 2021

Postby Gestalt » Sat Jun 26, 2021 5:00 am

I find it odd there doesn't seem to be wind (knots) ranges posted on the Naish website for the pivot for various sizes. How do they compare size/wind speed wise to other brands?

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Re: Naish 2021

Postby clint2070 » Wed Jun 30, 2021 11:00 pm

glfmkg wrote:
Tue Jun 22, 2021 7:23 pm
matth wrote:
Tue Jun 22, 2021 2:10 am
tautologies wrote:
Mon Jun 21, 2021 10:28 pm


Yup agree. I was super surprised. I have been skeptical too, but it really makes it a very different beast. Suddenly its fun to ride a foil with the pivot.
So you put it on the inside knot(closet to the leading edge) to take away power and add drift??? Do you believe it makes it more C-shaped and reduces the projected area that creates lift? or does it change the angle of the wing like depowering??

Thanks
yes that correct, I moved it closest to the leading edge and I noticed a dramatic difference in power (lot less power) and added drift. It become a lot more like my Airush Ultra! Not sure technically what it does, but I was very surprised that it made such a difference as it is only moving about an inch on the 12m.
I’m switching my 12 to that setting today.

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Re: Naish 2021

Postby matth » Wed Jun 30, 2021 11:37 pm

Gestalt wrote:
Sat Jun 26, 2021 5:00 am
I find it odd there doesn't seem to be wind (knots) ranges posted on the Naish website for the pivot for various sizes. How do they compare size/wind speed wise to other brands?
I would say about the same given the kite style is the same.

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Re: Naish 2021

Postby tautologies » Wed Jun 30, 2021 11:51 pm

matth wrote:
Wed Jun 30, 2021 11:37 pm
Gestalt wrote:
Sat Jun 26, 2021 5:00 am
I find it odd there doesn't seem to be wind (knots) ranges posted on the Naish website for the pivot for various sizes. How do they compare size/wind speed wise to other brands?
I would say about the same given the kite style is the same.
I'd agree. I am assuming the reasoning would be that it just varies so much. On a large foil I can go with a 6 meter kite and probably smaller in pretty much anything that can even remotely keep the kite in the air, but I would never be able to ride with a TT. Or that someone who is average kiteboarder weight cannot be compared to someone that is "big-boned".

I guess they could make an algorithm that changes according to rider weight, board, skills, wind-quality etc but it would be pretty hard to accurately adjust for all the variables. Most of the wind range estimations seem to have a pretty wide band, and I am thinking I would want to know how much the rider who estimated the range weight? ...and I guess what their skills are and risk tolerance? I dunno.

My point, Gestalt, if you are wondering about specific kites, just ask here. :-) :thumb:

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Re: Naish 2021

Postby Gestalt » Sat Jul 03, 2021 1:46 am

tautologies wrote:
Wed Jun 30, 2021 11:51 pm

My point, Gestalt, if you are wondering about specific kites, just ask here. :-) :thumb:
So I bought the Pivot 11m S25 LE. Having taken it out, it seems the comfortable low wind ability on regular board going upwind for peoples 160-185lbs is about 15 knots or so.

There is a cyclone due to hit tomorrow/the day after, with wind speeds of 20-35 knots. I'm curious what the upper range of the 11m Pivot might be? One of the locals highly recommended the shorter bridle setting as well. I'm curious if there is an optimal point of where to switch to that? How many extra knots might that give on the top end?

The other question I had which is more general, is does adjusting to higher or lower bar pressure setting on the wingtips meaningfully impact hangtime or boost height? Anyone play around with this and have feedback?

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Re: Naish 2021

Postby matth » Sat Jul 03, 2021 2:45 am

Gestalt wrote:
Sat Jul 03, 2021 1:46 am
tautologies wrote:
Wed Jun 30, 2021 11:51 pm

My point, Gestalt, if you are wondering about specific kites, just ask here. :-) :thumb:
So I bought the Pivot 11m S25 LE. Having taken it out, it seems the comfortable low wind ability on regular board going upwind for peoples 160-185lbs is about 15 knots or so.

There is a cyclone due to hit tomorrow/the day after, with wind speeds of 20-35 knots. I'm curious what the upper range of the 11m Pivot might be? One of the locals highly recommended the shorter bridle setting as well. I'm curious if there is an optimal point of where to switch to that? How many extra knots might that give on the top end?

The other question I had which is more general, is does adjusting to higher or lower bar pressure setting on the wingtips meaningfully impact hangtime or boost height? Anyone play around with this and have feedback?
I had a 2019 11m and loved it. At 185lbs I would say the top end for me was 28mph. 35knts would be seriously overpowered unless you're a super heavyweight.

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Re: Naish 2021

Postby tautologies » Sat Jul 03, 2021 6:28 pm

Gestalt wrote:
Sat Jul 03, 2021 1:46 am


So I bought the Pivot 11m S25 LE. Having taken it out, it seems the comfortable low wind ability on regular board going upwind for peoples 160-185lbs is about 15 knots or so.

There is a cyclone due to hit tomorrow/the day after, with wind speeds of 20-35 knots. I'm curious what the upper range of the 11m Pivot might be? One of the locals highly recommended the shorter bridle setting as well. I'm curious if there is an optimal point of where to switch to that? How many extra knots might that give on the top end?

The other question I had which is more general, is does adjusting to higher or lower bar pressure setting on the wingtips meaningfully impact hangtime or boost height? Anyone play around with this and have feedback?
Oh nice!!! The 11 is a magic kite IMO. Fast enough to be fun in waves, good enough low end to be fun in relatively light winds and a great jumper.
I have not found the top end on that kite. In 25+ I go to my 9.

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Re: Naish 2021

Postby Orca-N » Thu Aug 12, 2021 5:41 pm

Does anyone know when Pivot Mj2022 s26 will be released?

Some pages earlier I read this is supposed to happen in August?

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Re: Naish 2021

Postby tautologies » Thu Aug 12, 2021 11:54 pm

Orca-N wrote:
Thu Aug 12, 2021 5:41 pm
Does anyone know when Pivot Mj2022 s26 will be released?

Some pages earlier I read this is supposed to happen in August?
My personal guess is that Aug. is too optimistic. It seems production is delayed all over.
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Re: Naish 2021

Postby Saltyman » Fri Aug 13, 2021 7:26 am

I'm told that delivery of my kites are due in September. Hopefully they're still on track.
They had no problems with release of Triad S26 etc so hope pivots are the same.
If anything it will be that production numbers are slightly down so get in quick.
But was the same way with the S25 model.
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