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Re: new reviews on 2021 North Orbits?

Postby Blackened » Mon Aug 30, 2021 3:54 am

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Sun Aug 29, 2021 9:23 am

Just a question from my side related to the Orbit vs other kite discussion. Currently I am having a full quiver of Dice kites (7,9,12, 90kg) I am doubting to change the 7m and 9m for a 9m Orbit and my 12m Dice for a 12m Pulse, as I don't kite anymore after 40+ knots and I like to unhook with the 12m Dice but seems the Pulse is more or less similar. Do you guys have any experience on both and can be tell a bit on the differences?

What I notice now is that when having 10m+ jumps on the 9m Dice, you need to be very precise when helilooping/downlooping as the float/catch is a hit-or-miss. Steering too far to one side and it won't catch you anymore when helmlooping/downlooping. Catching is not right word in this but hopefully you understand what I mean. Besides that, the bar pressure is quite heavy, especially when having multiple days in a row, my lower arms feel sore in strong winds. I am doing kite loops now at around 7/8m but the dice is not always catching me, so which kite is quicker in looping/catching after the loop? Or is it similar?

Happy to hear your thoughts.
Can't comment on the Pulse as I don't unhook. I've only ridden the 8m in nuking winds and hated it, but I'm not a fan of freestyle/crossover and only used my crossovers for surfing, so ignore me.

9m Orbit has enough float and super easy to heli. If you use it on the soft setting, just be aware it's super fast and you can't crank it. If you do, it will swing through 12 oclock way too quickly and not provide enough lift. I sometimes deliberately almost fly it out of the window to bring it back overhead for a nice touchdown. Soft setting is also very lightweight bar pressure. I started looping it on the soft, but ended moving to the hard to slow down the kite a bit to do lower loops (and stop the previously mentioned 12oclock pivot). Also, if you don't kite in 40kn+, you don't need anything smaller than the 9m. I only swap to the 8m when it starts gusting 45-50. 8m is the lowest I'd go on an Orbit 90kg+. The 7m was extremely droppy for me. A few of the others I ride with thought the same thing.

As for catching after a loop, a Dice should easily catch you from a 7/8m kite loop. I guess it depends how low you're bringing it, but typically, people start with late pulls and high loops. Unless it's really gusty and the kite is stalling a bit on the climb? The other option is you're not going as high as you think you are, which is pretty much everyone when they first start looping.

So, in summary:
1. Dice vs Pulse for freestyle - no idea.
2. Orbit is much more forgiving and floaty than the Dice. However, if you pull too hard, especially on the soft setting, it will pivot in place and provide no lift.
3. Orbit bar pressure is light on soft, soft/medium on hard settings. (subjective)
4. Orbit will be quicker to loop as it's more pivotal. However, I suspect something else is wrong if the Dice isn't catching you after an 8m kiteloop.
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Re: new reviews on 2021 North Orbits?

Postby PissDrunk » Mon Aug 30, 2021 7:48 am

Hey
I riding orbit 9m 2020 / 2021
I am now before deciding whether to take 9 or 10 (looping)
my main wind is 10-14 m/s mainly 10m/s in these wind is orbit for me ,,hard,, to boost but when it blows 15+++ is realy easy : ) and love it
9m vs 10m
which one is more easy to boost ? (10-14m/s)

other question 7m vs 8m orbit in 15m/s++ for me 70kg i like it over powered but my lady not..... she love riding really old evo 6m she have 45kg ride to max 12 m/s
can u compere 7m vs 8m boost in same winds fast turning etc
thank you

btw i tried pulse in 10m and its amazing jumps realy easy loop realy easy love it but my hands (tendons) says no way, love this c kite feel : )

sorry for my english

one loop from europe

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Re: new reviews on 2021 North Orbits?

Postby i_love_storm » Mon Aug 30, 2021 9:26 am

Any recommondation for a 95 KG guy with a 3 kite strategy? Doing frontrolls, backloops, first darkslides... 8qm, 10qm and 12qm orbit or 12/13qm reach? Using a Jaime 139. Did ride 2016 switchblades
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Re: new reviews on 2021 North Orbits?

Postby dewwy » Mon Aug 30, 2021 9:31 am

8,10 orbit & 12/13 reach.

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Re: new reviews on 2021 North Orbits?

Postby Blackened » Mon Aug 30, 2021 10:37 am

i_love_storm wrote:
Mon Aug 30, 2021 9:26 am
Any recommondation for a 95 KG guy with a 3 kite strategy? Doing frontrolls, backloops, first darkslides... 8qm, 10qm and 12qm orbit or 12/13qm reach? Using a Jaime 139. Did ride 2016 switchblades
Wind conditions?
dewwy wrote:
Mon Aug 30, 2021 9:31 am
8,10 orbit & 12/13 reach.
The answer is probably this.
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Re: new reviews on 2021 North Orbits?

Postby Blackened » Mon Aug 30, 2021 11:23 am

PissDrunk wrote:
Mon Aug 30, 2021 7:48 am
Hey
I riding orbit 9m 2020 / 2021
I am now before deciding whether to take 9 or 10 (looping)
my main wind is 10-14 m/s mainly 10m/s in these wind is orbit for me ,,hard,, to boost but when it blows 15+++ is really easy : ) and love it
9m vs 10m
which one is more easy to boost ? (10-14m/s)
Sorry, I don't understand your question? Which would be better for boosting in that range? Probably the 10m, but you could be riding the 9m. I can ride the 10m in 10m/s, but generally can't do anything until 25kn.
PissDrunk wrote:
Mon Aug 30, 2021 7:48 am
other question 7m vs 8m orbit in 15m/s++ for me 70kg i like it over powered but my lady not..... she love riding really old evo 6m she have 45kg ride to max 12 m/s
can u compere 7m vs 8m boost in same winds fast turning etc
thank you
You'll still be on your 9m in 15m/s. I guess it depends on how many kites you want to own. The Orbits have huge top end range, so there is tons of overlap in usability. For your lady, I can't comment on what's it like to ride at less than half my weight. All I can tell you is I haven't seen any Orbits less than a 7m. Once it hits much higher than 30kn, all the light people go home.

What is the difference between the 7/8m in terms of boosting? Probably not a lot, but the 8m does have noticeably more hangtime. In terms of turning, the 7m is super quick and a notch faster than the 8m. I only tried one megaloop on the 7m because it was too hard (fast) to control. I'm just not used to small kites.


Not sure if this helps at all. It's hard to give good advice when I don't know what it's like to kite with 25-30kg less.

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Re: new reviews on 2021 North Orbits?

Postby i_love_storm » Mon Aug 30, 2021 11:32 am

Blackened wrote:
Mon Aug 30, 2021 10:37 am
i_love_storm wrote:
Mon Aug 30, 2021 9:26 am
Any recommondation for a 95 KG guy with a 3 kite strategy? Doing frontrolls, backloops, first darkslides... 8qm, 10qm and 12qm orbit or 12/13qm reach? Using a Jaime 139. Did ride 2016 switchblades
Wind conditions?
dewwy wrote:
Mon Aug 30, 2021 9:31 am
8,10 orbit & 12/13 reach.
The answer is probably this.
Usually Starting with 14kn on a 14qm Switchblade, after hitting 16-17kn i change to my 10qm. I am not sure if the 3 Strut Reach can handle the weight when looping with 12/13qm?! I prefer only 1 board for all ;)

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Re: new reviews on 2021 North Orbits?

Postby PissDrunk » Mon Aug 30, 2021 11:45 am

Blackened wrote:
Mon Aug 30, 2021 11:23 am
PissDrunk wrote:
Mon Aug 30, 2021 7:48 am
Hey
I riding orbit 9m 2020 / 2021
I am now before deciding whether to take 9 or 10 (looping)
my main wind is 10-14 m/s mainly 10m/s in these wind is orbit for me ,,hard,, to boost but when it blows 15+++ is really easy : ) and love it
9m vs 10m
which one is more easy to boost ? (10-14m/s)
Sorry, I don't understand your question? Which would be better for boosting in that range? Probably the 10m, but you could be riding the 9m. I can ride the 10m in 10m/s, but generally can't do anything until 25kn.
PissDrunk wrote:
Mon Aug 30, 2021 7:48 am
other question 7m vs 8m orbit in 15m/s++ for me 70kg i like it over powered but my lady not..... she love riding really old evo 6m she have 45kg ride to max 12 m/s
can u compere 7m vs 8m boost in same winds fast turning etc
thank you
You'll still be on your 9m in 15m/s. I guess it depends on how many kites you want to own. The Orbits have huge top end range, so there is tons of overlap in usability. For your lady, I can't comment on what's it like to ride at less than half my weight. All I can tell you is I haven't seen any Orbits less than a 7m. Once it hits much higher than 30kn, all the light people go home.

What is the difference between the 7/8m in terms of boosting? Probably not a lot, but the 8m does have noticeably more hangtime. In terms of turning, the 7m is super quick and a notch faster than the 8m. I only tried one megaloop on the 7m because it was too hard (fast) to control. I'm just not used to small kites.


Not sure if this helps at all. It's hard to give good advice when I don't know what it's like to kite with 25-30kg less.
ye thanks
,, but generally can't do anything until 25kn. ,, and this is why i want change it for 10m but than i need another size for 15m/s+++
9m orbit i ride to 20 m/s +- and its ok

my question was
10m orbit have same way for boosting in same wind (10m/s-14m/s) or its harder maybe easier ?

u can ride 10m in 15m/s + ? loop etc ...

u know 9m is best size for me for long time so its hard to give up

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Re: new reviews on 2021 North Orbits?

Postby Kitedicted » Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:56 pm

Blackened wrote:
Mon Aug 30, 2021 2:31 am
Kitedicted wrote:
Sun Aug 29, 2021 7:48 am
Any Intel on the 2022 orbit?
Official release date is 13 September I believe. From what I've seen from the North team riding them, another small revision from the 2022. I haven't ridden one yet, but will post something in the 2022 review thread when they let me on one :D.

PS. The green one looks amazing in the sky.
Yeah the green one looks great. I've still only tried the 2020 model but it was a bit too front stally for my level then. I know the 2021 is a bit better but have started with heli loops since then and might want to learn powered loops in the coming year

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Re: new reviews on 2021 North Orbits?

Postby Blackened » Mon Aug 30, 2021 9:28 pm

i_love_storm wrote:
Mon Aug 30, 2021 11:32 am
Usually Starting with 14kn on a 14qm Switchblade, after hitting 16-17kn i change to my 10qm. I am not sure if the 3 Strut Reach can handle the weight when looping with 12/13qm?! I prefer only 1 board for all ;)
I used to ride the 2018 3-strut Evo doing what you're doing. Just pump it well and you'd be fine.

I don't know how you're riding a 10m in 16kn winds. That's when I go out on my 15m.


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